Want/Need two to three pitchers Dean vs Guidry vs Johnson

KyleM · 08-30-2020, 05:15 PM

I am trying to make a hard decision. I am interested in both Dizzy Dean and Ron Guidry (both peak 100's) and SE Walter Johnson (100 OVR)

I play in stadium modeled after Yankee Stadium.

I have an outstanding defensive team, with plus..to very good, and great defenders at every position.

Does anyone here have any experience using these three? I love that both Dean and Guidry have three plus pitches each. Johnson stands out score wise (Using the ST rating...the move rating at 2.4...the control rating at 1.5) but I am having trouble accepting that he only has one plus pitch. But he is a groundball pitcher and I have an outstanding defensive infield and a great offensive team.

I would love/appreciate any input any of you have.

Currently in Iron 236...but after 143 win season, I am currently heading to PL level in just about three weeks.

Current team:

C-Berra Se 100 OVR vs RH Piazza SE 96 OVR vs LH
1B-Ortiz SE 100 OVR
2B-Morgan AT Legend 100 OVR
SS-Appling SE 100 OVR
3B-Schmidt FOTF 100 OVR
LF-Yastrzemski AT Legend 100 OVR
CF-Henderson SE 100 OVR
RF-Ruth SE 100 OVR (1923)
DH-Ted Williams SE 100 OVR

I Am torn. Have not seen much feedback on these three pitchers. I see the ratings. I see the Movement ratings on both Dean and Guidry...but I keep going back to the three plus pitches they each throw. But Johnson grades out better (mathematically)

I would truly love to hear some feedback on personal experience (s).

Thanks in advance.

Kyle

daves · 08-30-2020, 05:31 PM

If you are sticking to a Yankee theme, go with Guidry.

It's a decent team, but in this version, Perfect level is not guaranteed.

DonMattingly · 08-30-2020, 05:36 PM

I have only had experience with the Big Train card and it does very well through Gold, have only had the team it's on in one Diamond season. It's pitched mostly in Gold for me and is usually somewhere between a 3.5/4.0 ERA.

It's on a good but not fantastic defensive team in a mostly neutral park that bumps BA and 2b/3b a little bit.

What would scare me about Dean and Guidry are their MOV ratings. Guidry does look like he would destroy a team if it has a lot of LH batters in its lineup - but that MOV against RH hitters could mean a lot of dongers.

KyleM · 08-30-2020, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMattingly

I have only had experience with the Big Train card and it does very well through Gold, have only had the team it's on in one Diamond season. It's pitched mostly in Gold for me and is usually somewhere between a 3.5/4.0 ERA.

It's on a good but not fantastic defensive team in a mostly neutral park that bumps BA and 2b/3b a little bit.

What would scare me about Dean and Guidry are their MOV ratings. Guidry does look like he would destroy a team if it has a lot of LH batters in its lineup - but that MOV against RH hitters could mean a lot of dongers.

Thanks for your valued input. I have been thinking about this real hard for about five days. I know Guidry's slider should be death to lefties at any level. I also see Dean's stuff would/should mean the same against righties.

It is Johnson that gives me pause. While he rates out better, and he is a groundball guy should be the difference maker. But I have experience at the PL level extensively in OOTP 20 (my team is Danbury Hatters..I won 11 PL titles) and I am worried that Johnsons one "out pitch" will not be enough. I would love to insert whomever into my rotation and move Lefty Grove into the BP where his "stuff rating" climbs to almost 150, and where it would play better...in my opinion.

Thanks again!

Kyle

KyleM · 08-30-2020, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daves

If you are sticking to a Yankee theme, go with Guidry.

It's a decent team, but in this version, Perfect level is not guaranteed.

I am not into a Yankee theme by any measure.

I am a Yankee fan however.

I loved Guidry (severely underrated) and would love to carry him in my pen.

But.. I also like winning (Sorry...pride...but I know it's just a sim...)

I appreciate your input and the time it took to type it out!

Thanks again!

Kyle

QuantaCondor · 08-30-2020, 05:59 PM

Keep in mind that last year's version of PL would be like mashing up the upper portions of Silver, Gold, Diamond, and Perfect all together into one massive league. You should get a better sense of the ladder here; I suspect you'll have no trouble getting to diamond, but you're going to hit a wall there (at least, that team listed wouldn't win most diamond divisions I think... well, maybe closer to 30-40%ish of them it'd have a shot). Good luck on your hunt, you have a lot of time and PP to shape your plan of attack before you arrive.

EDIT: As to the pitchers, really all the guys you listed are more considered pen pieces, though I've seen both SE Walter and Guidry in the rotation. But Dizzy is definitely a (very good) pen piece, not really a long term SP.

KyleM · 08-30-2020, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuantaCondor

Keep in mind that last year's version of PL would be like mashing up the upper portions of Silver, Gold, Diamond, and Perfect all together into one massive league. You should get a better sense of the ladder here; I suspect you'll have no trouble getting to diamond, but you're going to hit a wall there (at least, that team listed wouldn't win most diamond divisions I think... well, maybe closer to 30-40%ish of them it'd have a shot). Good luck on your hunt, you have a lot of time and PP to shape your plan of attack before you arrive.

EDIT: As to the pitchers, really all the guys you listed are more considered pen pieces, though I've seen both SE Walter and Guidry in the rotation. But Dizzy is definitely a (very good) pen piece, not really a long term SP.

Thank you. Exactly what I was hoping/expecting to hear.

My rotation currently has:

MAddux SE 99 OVR
Lefty Grove Snapshot (1930) 100 OVR
Jose Fernandez FOTF 100 OVR
Lefty Gomez AT LEgend 100 OVR

My Pen:

Nolan Ryan SE 100 OVR
Seaver Historical Legend 100 OVR
Gooden Se 100 )VR
Randy Johnson SE 95 OVR

Then...abyss of the Karsays and Osuna's

As I am looking/could afford two of the three..

I believe I can fortify my pen/rotation with two solid decisions.

Thanks.

Kyle

QuantaCondor · 08-31-2020, 02:30 AM

Right now I think you'd be best off thinking about which true aces you want to target. Guys like FOTF Seaver and Price, Maddux100, Hubbell, Randy, and similar. You don't need to go get the big guns right now, but since you have PL aspirations it's worth thinking about what kind of build you might want to target.

Of your pen/rotation, SE Doc and FOTF Jose will project really well to the pen even at the highest levels. Obviously, 99Maddux is a sweet starter. 100 Nolan will do fine basically right up to (and maybe in) diamond, but doesn't project super well to PL because of his reliance on stuff. Gomez is really someone you eventually move on from, Grove is better but he's been outclassed by other lefties recently at the top. 100 nonSE Seaver is also pretty good but someone to think about replacing way down the line.

Guidry is sweet because he's a tactical nuke against lefty teams; every top level team should think about having him imo. I wouldn't hesitate on him, especially as a Yankee fan.

Again, no rush, don't feel like you need a PL viable staff asap. Just something to consider as you're thinking about it.

KyleM · 08-31-2020, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by QuantaCondor

Right now I think you'd be best off thinking about which true aces you want to target. Guys like FOTF Seaver and Price, Maddux100, Hubbell, Randy, and similar. You don't need to go get the big guns right now, but since you have PL aspirations it's worth thinking about what kind of build you might want to target.

Of your pen/rotation, SE Doc and FOTF Jose will project really well to the pen even at the highest levels. Obviously, 99Maddux is a sweet starter. 100 Nolan will do fine basically right up to (and maybe in) diamond, but doesn't project super well to PL because of his reliance on stuff. Gomez is really someone you eventually move on from, Grove is better but he's been outclassed by other lefties recently at the top. 100 nonSE Seaver is also pretty good but someone to think about replacing way down the line.

Guidry is sweet because he's a tactical nuke against lefty teams; every top level team should think about having him imo. I wouldn't hesitate on him, especially as a Yankee fan.

Again, no rush, don't feel like you need a PL viable staff asap. Just something to consider as you're thinking about it.

Thanks for the time you invested Condor.

I am leaning hard on picking up Guidry for my pen.

I agree that having Guidry, Doc, and Fernandez would/will make a very good pen nucleus. I am thinking Ryan could be a good pen piece at higher levels if deployed the right way (no long relief or emergency starts...maybe purely high leverage or setup work..)

Have decided that Johnson would just be a two to three week rental so I will pass altogether.

I appreciate your thoughts, and perspective.

Talk later.

Kyle

chazzycat · 08-31-2020, 04:45 PM

What are your park factors?

With guys like Guidry for example, it definitely matters. His profile plays really well in a lefty-contact boosted park, with homers nerfed. But otherwise he's more of a bullpen guy as noted above.

Also, you might want to temper expectations slightly...odds are you will not be in perfect in 3 weeks. Actually that would be impossible...5 weeks would be the minimum from iron to perfect. The levels get much, much harder. And you need to get lucky in the playoffs to advance as well.

KyleM · 08-31-2020, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazzycat

What are your park factors?

With guys like Guidry for example, it definitely matters. His profile plays really well in a lefty-contact boosted park, with homers nerfed. But otherwise he's more of a bullpen guy as noted above.

Also, you might want to temper expectations slightly...odds are you will not be in perfect in 3 weeks. Actually that would be impossible...5 weeks would be the minimum from iron to perfect. The levels get much, much harder. And you need to get lucky in the playoffs to advance as well.

Thank you for replying. I have been at this for a few years (8th year with OOTP) and enjoy PT very much.

I like to think I am analytical, but admittedly...sometimes buy a player because of how I remember him, and whether or not I like him.

I asked specifically about the three pitchers because I was concerned about ratings, and really wanted to see how others fared at PL level with these three.

I think my park factors have been calculated accordingly. But there is always the unknown with how certain cards will react/perform.

I may show up here on the boards as a "bat-boy" but I read/study the boards several times a day...looking for input, which is like gold.

I do not post much at all because there are a select few that act as the "board diva's" and year after year, it is always the very same few who completely ruin the "board experience" for me.

At any rate..I know I have a few weeks (maybe five or six) to go to get to PL level...I believe my plan (based on budget) is realistic.

What I cannot express enough is how I feel about the time, and effort that it took for all of you to respond/reply, and offer your experiences, and advice.

It is much appreciated.

I hope we can talk again another time!

Thanks again.

Kyle

08-30-2020, 05:15 PM	#1
KyleM Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Danbury CT Posts: 66	Want/Need two to three pitchers Dean vs Guidry vs Johnson I am trying to make a hard decision. I am interested in both Dizzy Dean and Ron Guidry (both peak 100's) and SE Walter Johnson (100 OVR) I play in stadium modeled after Yankee Stadium. I have an outstanding defensive team, with plus..to very good, and great defenders at every position. Does anyone here have any experience using these three? I love that both Dean and Guidry have three plus pitches each. Johnson stands out score wise (Using the ST rating...the move rating at 2.4...the control rating at 1.5) but I am having trouble accepting that he only has one plus pitch. But he is a groundball pitcher and I have an outstanding defensive infield and a great offensive team. I would love/appreciate any input any of you have. Currently in Iron 236...but after 143 win season, I am currently heading to PL level in just about three weeks. Current team: C-Berra Se 100 OVR vs RH Piazza SE 96 OVR vs LH 1B-Ortiz SE 100 OVR 2B-Morgan AT Legend 100 OVR SS-Appling SE 100 OVR 3B-Schmidt FOTF 100 OVR LF-Yastrzemski AT Legend 100 OVR CF-Henderson SE 100 OVR RF-Ruth SE 100 OVR (1923) DH-Ted Williams SE 100 OVR I Am torn. Have not seen much feedback on these three pitchers. I see the ratings. I see the Movement ratings on both Dean and Guidry...but I keep going back to the three plus pitches they each throw. But Johnson grades out better (mathematically) I would truly love to hear some feedback on personal experience (s). Thanks in advance. Kyle Last edited by KyleM; 08-30-2020 at 05:24 PM. Reason: Typo's (misspells)

08-30-2020, 05:31 PM	#2
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,832	If you are sticking to a Yankee theme, go with Guidry. It's a decent team, but in this version, Perfect level is not guaranteed. __________________

08-30-2020, 05:59 PM	#6
QuantaCondor All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 563	Keep in mind that last year's version of PL would be like mashing up the upper portions of Silver, Gold, Diamond, and Perfect all together into one massive league. You should get a better sense of the ladder here; I suspect you'll have no trouble getting to diamond, but you're going to hit a wall there (at least, that team listed wouldn't win most diamond divisions I think... well, maybe closer to 30-40%ish of them it'd have a shot). Good luck on your hunt, you have a lot of time and PP to shape your plan of attack before you arrive. EDIT: As to the pitchers, really all the guys you listed are more considered pen pieces, though I've seen both SE Walter and Guidry in the rotation. But Dizzy is definitely a (very good) pen piece, not really a long term SP. __________________ Former leader of BFF, the definitive competitive PT group for F2P players. DM for info F2P + restrictions. First F2P winner of PT21 Perfect League F2P + restrictions. New team -> PT title in 8 weeks Last edited by QuantaCondor; 08-30-2020 at 06:01 PM.

08-31-2020, 02:30 AM	#8
QuantaCondor All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 563	Right now I think you'd be best off thinking about which true aces you want to target. Guys like FOTF Seaver and Price, Maddux100, Hubbell, Randy, and similar. You don't need to go get the big guns right now, but since you have PL aspirations it's worth thinking about what kind of build you might want to target. Of your pen/rotation, SE Doc and FOTF Jose will project really well to the pen even at the highest levels. Obviously, 99Maddux is a sweet starter. 100 Nolan will do fine basically right up to (and maybe in) diamond, but doesn't project super well to PL because of his reliance on stuff. Gomez is really someone you eventually move on from, Grove is better but he's been outclassed by other lefties recently at the top. 100 nonSE Seaver is also pretty good but someone to think about replacing way down the line. Guidry is sweet because he's a tactical nuke against lefty teams; every top level team should think about having him imo. I wouldn't hesitate on him, especially as a Yankee fan. Again, no rush, don't feel like you need a PL viable staff asap. Just something to consider as you're thinking about it. __________________ Former leader of BFF, the definitive competitive PT group for F2P players. DM for info F2P + restrictions. First F2P winner of PT21 Perfect League F2P + restrictions. New team -> PT title in 8 weeks

08-30-2020, 05:36 PM	#3
DonMattingly Major Leagues Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 310	I have only had experience with the Big Train card and it does very well through Gold, have only had the team it's on in one Diamond season. It's pitched mostly in Gold for me and is usually somewhere between a 3.5/4.0 ERA. It's on a good but not fantastic defensive team in a mostly neutral park that bumps BA and 2b/3b a little bit. What would scare me about Dean and Guidry are their MOV ratings. Guidry does look like he would destroy a team if it has a lot of LH batters in its lineup - but that MOV against RH hitters could mean a lot of dongers.

08-31-2020, 04:45 PM	#10
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	What are your park factors? With guys like Guidry for example, it definitely matters. His profile plays really well in a lefty-contact boosted park, with homers nerfed. But otherwise he's more of a bullpen guy as noted above. Also, you might want to temper expectations slightly...odds are you will not be in perfect in 3 weeks. Actually that would be impossible...5 weeks would be the minimum from iron to perfect. The levels get much, much harder. And you need to get lucky in the playoffs to advance as well.