Kill the Astros for the season... or longer

Brad K · 08-10-2020, 04:52 PM

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/mlb...0-01efc4s5jrn1

From the article

"The time has come to defund the Houston Astros. Or dissolve them. Or just suspend the entire organization for the entire season."

"Opponents feel disproportionately encouraged to throw at them,"

"They have to do this because MLB is toothless and actually sticking up for them. Those who cheated the most were not punished. The 2017 World Series trophy remains in their possession."

"So not only are teams encouraged to throw at the Astros, but the Astros are throwing at former players. So why not just shut this thing down? The organization has not faced any real consequence aside from Jose Altuve turning back into a tiny gourd."

"Making the Astros end their season with a shameful 6-9 record would be the perfect way to ensure they are both punished and laughed at for the rest of baseball history."

Buster Cherry · 08-10-2020, 04:56 PM

Yada, yada, yada.

Westheim · 08-10-2020, 05:11 PM

That violin still tuned?

cephasjames · 08-10-2020, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/mlb...0-01efc4s5jrn1

Bwahaha!

Brad K · 08-10-2020, 10:23 PM

Actually since the Cardinals are messed up with COVID 19 and going to miss so many games AND they can't do a decent schedule with 29 teams they could solve the problems by cancelling Astros games and having the Cards opponents play those teams that were to be Astros opponents.

Westheim · 08-11-2020, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Actually since the Cardinals are messed up with COVID 19 and going to miss so many games AND they can't do a decent schedule with 29 teams they could solve the problems by cancelling Astros games and having the Cards opponents play those teams that were to be Astros opponents.

I'd like to hear your opinion on the Diamondbacks intentionally walking Barry Bonds with bases loaded and a 2-run lead. You seem like the type of person that would still be mad about that.

That's not how you play baseball!

CBeisbol · 08-11-2020, 08:35 AM

I still want to know if Mariano Rivera, with 4 career PA's, is a Hall of Famer in Brad's eyes

And if he is, why does he want to exclude players who spent significant time at DH because they didn't contribute on both sides?

cephasjames · 08-11-2020, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Actually since the Cardinals are messed up with COVID 19 and going to miss so many games AND they can't do a decent schedule with 29 teams they could solve the problems by cancelling Astros games and having the Cards opponents play those teams that were to be Astros opponents.

This doesn't work (I can't believe I'm even attempting a serious conversation about this ridiculous idea which is piggybacking off of that farcical article) because the schedules are regionally based and STL is in the Central and HOU is in the West. It completely goes against the covid-related reasonig behind the schedules.

cephasjames · 08-11-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I still want to know if Mariano Rivera, with 4 career PA's, is a Hall of Famer in Brad's eyes

And if he is, why does he want to exclude players who spent significant time at DH because they didn't contribute on both sides?

Did you mean to post this in this thread (as it is way off topic)?

Brad K · 08-11-2020, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I still want to know if Mariano Rivera, with 4 career PA's, is a Hall of Famer in Brad's eyes

And if he is, why does he want to exclude players who spent significant time at DH because they didn't contribute on both sides?

And I get accused of hanging onto things too long...

I've resolved to get better.

CBeisbol · 08-11-2020, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

And I get accused of hanging onto things too long...

I've resolved to get better.

I'm just curious

Thought you might have missed my asking in the other thread. Didn't want to assume you were the kind of person who just dodged uncomfortable questions.

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Did you mean to post this in this thread (as it is way off topic)?

Is this not an old-guys-complaining-about-baseball-these-days thread?

My bad

Brad K · 08-11-2020, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I'm just curious

Thought you might have missed my asking in the other thread. Didn't want to assume you were the kind of person who just dodged uncomfortable questions.

Didn't miss. Decided your pitching example was irrelevant and since you thought it was there was no need to continue.

Brad K · 08-11-2020, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

This doesn't work (I can't believe I'm even attempting a serious conversation about this ridiculous idea which is piggybacking off of that farcical article) because the schedules are regionally based and STL is in the Central and HOU is in the West. It completely goes against the covid-related reasonig behind the schedules.

The process of creating groups of teams appears to be ineffective. The number of people in each group appears way too large to be effective. Good theater while it lasted...

CBeisbol · 08-11-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Didn't miss. Decided your pitching example was irrelevant and since you thought it was there was no need to continue.

What pitching example
It's a hitting example
Rivera hit 4 times in his career. 0 hits

You decided that players not playing defense (well, actually playing thousands of innings of defense) should keep them out of the Hall of Fame but players batting 4 times in their careers is fine.

Why is that?

Brad K · 08-11-2020, 09:33 PM

Here you go. Say it. Say it.

"Ha ha ha Brad quit so I win I WIN I WIN"

CBeisbol · 08-11-2020, 09:39 PM

Why do you see it that way? Strange

I just want you to explain your reasoning.
Maybe it makes sense
But I don't see how it could

Why do you think that players who played thousands of defensive innings don't deserve to be in the hall of fame, but players who hardly ever came up to bat do?
Or maybe you're consistent, and don't think that players like Mariano Rivera, who had 4 career plate appearances, deserve to be in

Brad K · 08-12-2020, 02:46 PM

Your pitching example is ludicrous. I'm not interested in arguing against it.

CBeisbol · 08-12-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

Your pitching example is ludicrous. I'm not interested in arguing against it.

I agree

But how is it [these players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they didn't bat enough] different than these players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they didn't play enough defense?

cephasjames · 08-12-2020, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I agree

But how is it [these players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they didn't bat enough] different than these players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because they didn't play enough defense?

This is not my argument, but a common argument I have heard: Because the DH doesn't play "the whole game" and is therefore a "specialist" and a "one-dimesnional player" not a "complete player."

CBeisbol · 08-12-2020, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

This is not my argument, but a common argument I have heard: Because the DH doesn't play "the whole game" and is therefore a "specialist" and a "one-dimesnional player" not a "complete player."

Sure

But aren't pitchers, especially relievers, in the same boat

Mariano Rivera was elected with 100% of the vote

He batted 4 times in his career.
If anyone was one dimensional, it was him

08-10-2020, 04:52 PM	#1
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Kill the Astros for the season... or longer https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/mlb...0-01efc4s5jrn1 From the article "The time has come to defund the Houston Astros. Or dissolve them. Or just suspend the entire organization for the entire season." "Opponents feel disproportionately encouraged to throw at them," "They have to do this because MLB is toothless and actually sticking up for them. Those who cheated the most were not punished. The 2017 World Series trophy remains in their possession." "So not only are teams encouraged to throw at the Astros, but the Astros are throwing at former players. So why not just shut this thing down? The organization has not faced any real consequence aside from Jose Altuve turning back into a tiny gourd." "Making the Astros end their season with a shameful 6-9 record would be the perfect way to ensure they are both punished and laughed at for the rest of baseball history."

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CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Why do you see it that way? Strange I just want you to explain your reasoning. Maybe it makes sense But I don't see how it could Why do you think that players who played thousands of defensive innings don't deserve to be in the hall of fame, but players who hardly ever came up to bat do? Or maybe you're consistent, and don't think that players like Mariano Rivera, who had 4 career plate appearances, deserve to be in Last edited by CBeisbol; 08-11-2020 at 09:43 PM.

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Buster Cherry Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2019 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 297	Yada, yada, yada.

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Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Actually since the Cardinals are messed up with COVID 19 and going to miss so many games AND they can't do a decent schedule with 29 teams they could solve the problems by cancelling Astros games and having the Cards opponents play those teams that were to be Astros opponents.

08-11-2020, 09:33 PM	#15
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Here you go. Say it. Say it. "Ha ha ha Brad quit so I win I WIN I WIN"

08-12-2020, 02:46 PM	#17
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	Your pitching example is ludicrous. I'm not interested in arguing against it.