Live Card Update for August 10th, um something seems off

tbonetim · 08-10-2020, 07:13 AM

I can see at this time (just after 7am EST) that the Live cards are not showing there updated ratings on the rosters but they are in the auction house. If those new ratings on the auction house are correct, I have no idea how Kevin Gausman has been bumped up to a Diamond rating was bumped all the way to a 90 while Bieber actually dropped a point. Gausman has one quality start with a 4.00 era and sure he has a nice WHIP 1.10 but consider me in a state of wuhhhh?

tbonetim · 08-10-2020, 07:44 AM

Most ratings changes were pretty much as expected, but the Bieber and Gausman adjustments are really odd to me. Even looking at ZIPS Gausman got one heck of a bump (O's fan so consider me bitter anyhow).

CurlyKarkovice · 08-10-2020, 08:30 AM

If there's objectively only two head scratchers that's good and probably an improvement. Movement only occurring every two weeks is nice as well and seems the most volatility happens in the first few weeks.

There's always winners and losers in speculation. Examples I've quick sold about 5 Gausman's in the last month or so but holding onto 3 German Marquez is a working today.

Matt Arnold · 08-10-2020, 08:35 AM

Bieber gave up 2 hr yesterday and another start earlier in the week as well. Those hurt for sure.

tbonetim · 08-10-2020, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurlyKarkovice

If there's objectively only two head scratchers that's good and probably an improvement. Movement only occurring every two weeks is nice as well and seems the most volatility happens in the first few weeks.

There's always winners and losers in speculation. Examples I've quick sold about 5 Gausman's in the last month or so but holding onto 3 German Marquez is a working today.

Yeah only a couple out there. I was glad to see some closing pitchers didn't take massive hits for one bad appearance. Yeah, like you I sold my Gausman's earlier so I am a bit bitter at that, lol. But most others others moved in the manner I expected them to.

allenciox · 08-10-2020, 09:59 AM

I was surprised at how much the cards changed. Thirty players had their ratings decrease by 8 points, for example (yeah, I am crying over my duplicate copies of Craig Kimbrel, Pete Alonso, Jose Altuve, and Mike Clevinger --- all of which I thought had OVRs high enough that I didn't need to sell them).

Oh well, live and learn.

Of course, on the positive side, 46 players had their ratings increase by 8 or more points.

I guess that is because this year, rating changes are based on two weeks: AND the season is much shorter, so those two weeks reflect a substantial part of the season.

Lemandria · 08-10-2020, 10:05 AM

Card cache reset is recommended.

Reidwk · 08-10-2020, 10:52 AM

I'm just lost as to how Arenado & Lindor dropped but Yelich, hitting a crisp .149, is still coasting at 100 and Realmuto who hasn't played in as many games because of Covid but is putting up numbers that would be similar to Judge & Tatis if he had 60 ABs instead of 30 and he didn't move up to 100. Those are the confusing ones for me.

dkgo · 08-10-2020, 11:09 AM

Yelich started with a higher projection, currently has an OPS 140 points higher than Arenado, and has a zips ros projection 50 points higher.

checkitmyles · 08-10-2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Bieber gave up 2 hr yesterday and another start earlier in the week as well. Those hurt for sure.

Okay sure, but let's talk about Bieber's stuff increase. His stuff went up 7 points. I'm not sure which metrics you all look at, so let's just use all of the ones that make sense on Fangraphs and Statcast to use.

2019 numbers side by side (Bieber/Pitcher A):
K%: 30.1%/32.3%
SwStr%: 14%/15%
O-Swing (per Fangraphs): 35%/31.9%
Chase rate (per Statcast): 32.4%/27.4%
Whiff rate (per Statcast): 30.7%/32.5%

2020 numbers side by side (Bieber/Pitcher A)
K%: 42.6%/29%
SwStr%: 19%/15.1%
O-Swing (per Fangraphs): 37.8%/23.3%
Chase rate (per Statcast): 34.9/22%
Whiff rate (per Statcast): 46.1%/33.3%

Pitcher A either got worse, or held steady in all five metrics. Bieber saw marked increases in every single metric.

Pitcher A had his stuff get increased by 11 points. Bieber by only 7. Pitcher A's stuff now sits at 114, Bieber at 88.

How on earth does that make ANY sense?

Westheim · 08-10-2020, 12:26 PM

The update reduced the number of live Mets on the Mets by half, which sounds fair.

At least four of them got slapped with a -8, which sounds fair.

Can't find anything wrong

08-10-2020, 07:13 AM	#1
tbonetim Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 172	Live Card Update for August 10th, um something seems off I can see at this time (just after 7am EST) that the Live cards are not showing there updated ratings on the rosters but they are in the auction house. If those new ratings on the auction house are correct, I have no idea how Kevin Gausman has been bumped up to a Diamond rating was bumped all the way to a 90 while Bieber actually dropped a point. Gausman has one quality start with a 4.00 era and sure he has a nice WHIP 1.10 but consider me in a state of wuhhhh?

08-10-2020, 08:30 AM	#3
CurlyKarkovice Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Indianapolis IN Posts: 231	If there's objectively only two head scratchers that's good and probably an improvement. Movement only occurring every two weeks is nice as well and seems the most volatility happens in the first few weeks. There's always winners and losers in speculation. Examples I've quick sold about 5 Gausman's in the last month or so but holding onto 3 German Marquez is a working today. __________________

08-10-2020, 09:59 AM	#6
allenciox All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 735	I was surprised at how much the cards changed. Thirty players had their ratings decrease by 8 points, for example (yeah, I am crying over my duplicate copies of Craig Kimbrel, Pete Alonso, Jose Altuve, and Mike Clevinger --- all of which I thought had OVRs high enough that I didn't need to sell them). Oh well, live and learn. Of course, on the positive side, 46 players had their ratings increase by 8 or more points. I guess that is because this year, rating changes are based on two weeks: AND the season is much shorter, so those two weeks reflect a substantial part of the season. __________________

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08-10-2020, 07:44 AM	#2
tbonetim Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 172	Most ratings changes were pretty much as expected, but the Bieber and Gausman adjustments are really odd to me. Even looking at ZIPS Gausman got one heck of a bump (O's fan so consider me bitter anyhow).

08-10-2020, 08:35 AM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,243	Bieber gave up 2 hr yesterday and another start earlier in the week as well. Those hurt for sure.

08-10-2020, 10:52 AM	#8
Reidwk Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1	I'm just lost as to how Arenado & Lindor dropped but Yelich, hitting a crisp .149, is still coasting at 100 and Realmuto who hasn't played in as many games because of Covid but is putting up numbers that would be similar to Judge & Tatis if he had 60 ABs instead of 30 and he didn't move up to 100. Those are the confusing ones for me.

08-10-2020, 11:09 AM	#9
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Yelich started with a higher projection, currently has an OPS 140 points higher than Arenado, and has a zips ros projection 50 points higher.