Peak Cards

[Bunktown Ballers]

What do Peak Cards consist of? What makes it a Peak Card? Is it just a name for a series of cards or do stats matter?

[Leo_The_Lip]

My understanding is that they are based on the best individual seasons a player had--that is--most homers, highest batting average, most walks, best fielding and so forth. All rolled up into one season the guy never had.

I suppose teenagers love these cards, but many of them--the 100 Lou Whitaker in particular--are abominations.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

What do Peak Cards consist of? What makes it a Peak Card? Is it just a name for a series of cards or do stats matter?

Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing.

They're "magic" cards.

There have been more than enough real historical seasons to choose from to make cards. PEAK cards are just whale bait and push the game further away from realism.

[Lemandria]

PEAK cards are just whale bait and push the game further away from realism.

PEAK cards are only Tier0 of the "Special" cards perfectflation.

It gets so much, much worse.

[HRBaker]

Too-many cards isn't the real problem, but whether they are "real" or "fantasy" is a huge problem in my opinion. If it were my decision, I would limit cards to the following labels...

Three or Four cards for every historic (retired) player;

1) Best Season
2) Average Season
3) Rookie Season
4) Hall-Fame-Card (equal to best season PLUS a best stat)

For example;

1) Babe Ruth Best Season (1923) Probably a "99" card
2) Babe Ruth Avg. Season (BA .342, OBP .474, SLG .690, OPS 1.164)
3) Babe Ruth Rookie Season, use minimum ABs or IPs (1919)
4) Babe Ruth Best Season PLUS best stat (1927?) Probably a "100" card

Most historic players would only have 3 cards (no HOF).


Two cards for every LIVE player;

1) LIVE Season (Dynamic)
2) Best LIVE Season "so-far"

The ONLY "fantasy" card in the above plan is the historical HOF card.


On a related front; I also don't know if a historic player and LIVE players with the exact same stats result in equal cards. I suspect they don't because different formulas are used. It might be why historic cards always seem better? Not sure OOTP would be willing to clarify that.

[Lemandria]

If Yount can play cf and ss at the same time, surely the Babe can have a 50-tater card that pitches in Boston, too?

ad absurdum is such a horrible, cynical habit.

Sorry, OP.

[joker7702]

Originally Posted by Lemandria

If Yount can play cf and ss at the same time, surely the Babe can have a 50-tater card that pitches in Boston, too?

As it happens, in 1919 with Boston, Babe led the league in OPS with solid pitching numbers.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by joker7702

As it happens, in 1919 with Boston, Babe led the league in OPS with solid pitching numbers.

That dude was unreal compared to his contemporaries.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Too-many cards isn't the real problem, but whether they are "real" or "fantasy" is a huge problem in my opinion. If it were my decision, I would limit cards to the following labels...

Three or Four cards for every historic (retired) player;

1) Best Season
2) Average Season
3) Rookie Season
4) Hall-Fame-Card (equal to best season PLUS a best stat)

For example;

1) Babe Ruth Best Season (1923) Probably a "99" card
2) Babe Ruth Avg. Season (BA .342, OBP .474, SLG .690, OPS 1.164)
3) Babe Ruth Rookie Season, use minimum ABs or IPs (1919)
4) Babe Ruth Best Season PLUS best stat (1927?) Probably a "100" card

Most historic players would only have 3 cards (no HOF).


Two cards for every LIVE player;

1) LIVE Season (Dynamic)
2) Best LIVE Season "so-far"

The ONLY "fantasy" card in the above plan is the historical HOF card.


On a related front; I also don't know if a historic player and LIVE players with the exact same stats result in equal cards. I suspect they don't because different formulas are used. It might be why historic cards always seem better? Not sure OOTP would be willing to clarify that.

I wouldn't mind if they made more than 3 cards for any given player. I just don't want any more artificial cards in the game. All the cards should be based on one year of actual historical performance.

With well over 100 years and thousands of players to choose from, there is more than enough of a sample from which to make a ton of cards. I would rather have say Ruth 1920 and Williams 1941 be the type of cards that have the highest price tags vs artificial "PEAK" or "FOTF" cards that aren't a representation of anything that ever happened in history, but rather magically created by algorithm.

There's no reason the cards the whales will go for need to be artificial. If it's planned out in advance the best historical seasons can have cards released each month to give the whales something new to strive for. You can have more realism and still stimulate spending at the same time.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

That dude was unreal compared to his contemporaries.

Consider 1920 Ruth. He broke his own HR record by 25 homers, nearly doubling it.

Someone would have to hit 98 to break Bonds' record (*, cough, cough, *) now by that wide a margin.

Or 135 (!!) to break it by the same percent Ruth broke his own record by.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

Consider 1920 Ruth. He broke his own HR record by 25 homers, nearly doubling it.

Someone would have to hit 98 to break Bonds' record (*, cough, cough, *) now by that wide a margin.

Or 135 (!!) to break it by the same percent Ruth broke his own record by.

Bambino was the greatest player ever to play. Fight me if you wish.

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

I wouldn't mind if they made more than 3 cards for any given player. I just don't want any more artificial cards in the game. All the cards should be based on one year of actual historical performance.

With well over 100 years and thousands of players to choose from, there is more than enough of a sample from which to make a ton of cards. I would rather have say Ruth 1920 and Williams 1941 be the type of cards that have the highest price tags vs artificial "PEAK" or "FOTF" cards that aren't a representation of anything that ever happened in history, but rather magically created by algorithm.

There's no reason the cards the whales will go for need to be artificial. If it's planned out in advance the best historical seasons can have cards released each month to give the whales something new to strive for. You can have more realism and still stimulate spending at the same time.

Yes, but $. And I would probably do the same.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Yes, but $. And $. And $. And I would probably do the same.

The whales are gonna spend on whatever the top cards are. No reason for those cards to be sham algorithm jobs meant only to keep raising the bar.

If the best cards are based on historical seasons - and there are tons to choose from - then those will become the new whale food.

[joker7702]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

The whales are gonna spend on whatever the top cards are. No reason for those cards to be sham algorithm jobs meant only to keep raising the bar.

If the best cards are based on historical seasons - and there are tons to choose from - then those will become the new whale food.

The problem with that is the best seasons will be the same cards every year, with the same stats. That will become stale, and they want to keep it fresh.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by DonMattingly

I wouldn't mind if they made more than 3 cards for any given player. I just don't want any more artificial cards in the game. All the cards should be based on one year of actual historical performance.

With well over 100 years and thousands of players to choose from, there is more than enough of a sample from which to make a ton of cards. I would rather have say Ruth 1920 and Williams 1941 be the type of cards that have the highest price tags vs artificial "PEAK" or "FOTF" cards that aren't a representation of anything that ever happened in history, but rather magically created by algorithm.

There's no reason the cards the whales will go for need to be artificial. If it's planned out in advance the best historical seasons can have cards released each month to give the whales something new to strive for. You can have more realism and still stimulate spending at the same time.

I was wondering because the age of player on card (example his age 35 card) was no where near his PEAK stats. Thanks to those who gave a serious answer...the others replies are a reason why OOTP forums are the worst ever

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by joker7702

The problem with that is the best seasons will be the same cards every year, with the same stats. That will become stale, and they want to keep it fresh.

But cards are hit and miss ever week....I have yet to have a player come close to his stats the card was intended for....LIVE Cards are horrible

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

Bambino was the greatest player ever to play. Fight me if you wish.

Barry Bonds best slugger ever

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Barry Bonds best slugger ever

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[Thundercrack]

Best to look at these cards as fictional cards, loosely informed by the attributes of the player.

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Best to look at these cards as fictional cards, loosely informed by the attributes of the player.

Might be my last year using PT if that's the direction they keep going.

I want realistic baseball, not Pokemon.