Help me Decide on a Trade

Mike Lowe · 07-25-2020, 02:31 AM

Please help me decide on which player to pursue via trade. I don't think either one would cost much.

Scenario
You're a first place team a week away from the trade deadline. You have a 73-31 record and a 13.5 game lead in the AL West. You are wanting to add a bat, specifically one who can start against LHP. Anything extra is a nice bonus.

Either guy could be a consideration for the 2021 season too as I have a RF I am 50/50 on resigning. He's been stellar, but I don't think I want to pay him as he'll be 30 and wants a ton of money. Neither of the guys below would supplant my current starter in RF, but they could potentially replace my starting LF who was a Rule 5 guy.

Player 1 seems the better player, but I worry a great deal about what he might do to our 'ecstatic' team chemistry. We went to the World Series last year and lost, but have carried over the strong momentum and chemistry we've had since the 2019 season.

This is a daily-sim online league. Thanks for the feedback!

Bobbyraz49 · 07-25-2020, 11:05 AM

IMO....bottom guy. Am new to the game but when I see "blue" on a player's page, I'm interested.
Let's us see what happens.

Reed · 07-25-2020, 11:33 AM

I also lean toward player 2 for the same reason. Could also use him as a baserunner.

Orcin · 07-25-2020, 11:52 AM

Player 2 is more of my kind of player. I like the hitter profile (line drive vs. flyball), high AvK, and leader personality.

CBeisbol · 07-25-2020, 12:26 PM

You say you want them to face lefty-pitchers. Where are the vs L splits and ratings?

Agree that the top player looks better. I wouldn't worry about the personality too much. Winning usually takes care of that and they aren't labeled as "disruptive"

Pdubya64 · 07-25-2020, 03:04 PM

I'd have to go with the second player. Not only is he a better influence and example to have in the clubhouse, but he is younger, cheaper and may even grow in skills.

The top player is nice, but as you say, 30 is the wrong side of "prime age" and his demands coupled with greed means you are in for a hell of a time signing him at a reasonable salary from the club's point-of-view.

I say put your Bill Belichick hat on and cut him or let him go. Actually, my main reason would be to save that money it would take to sign player A and stash it or put it towards scouting another player you might need, or even up your Head Scout or if you like him, increase his department's budget.

Just my two cents.

CBeisbol · 07-25-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdubya64

, cheaper

I forgot about that part - oops

It depends, greatly on the cost to acquire. The top player is better (in the short run) and, likely, easier to get.

ALB123 · 07-26-2020, 05:44 AM

I like the bottom guy. Based on your record, your team is obviously doing something right and not struggling. So, for me, bottom guy appears to be a better investment over the next handful of years. He's only 95 days younger than the 1st guy, but he's millions cheaper with equal, at least, and probably better overall skills as a ball player.

OF Position ratings are opposite, but close enough that either player would most likely learn their "weaker" position quite quickly, but player #2 edges player #1 in OF DEF characteristics. Player #1 is a teeny bit faster overall, but Player #2 destroys him on the basepaths where runs are scored/made. Player #2 has worse current batting statistics, but he's played half the games as Top guy and I 'm sure once he gets into a strong lineup, like yours, he'll do better.

Bottom guy for me...all the way. If you don't want him, could I have him?

Questdog · 07-26-2020, 08:53 AM

So you guys like the fella with the .432 OPS....

I do not like either one of them, but I'd take the fella who has double the OPS and has hit 35 HR in a season if I had to pick one...

DonMattingly · 07-26-2020, 10:24 AM

What are their splits?

#1 seems to fit your situation more as he's established and more of a sure thing for a team that is in win-now mode.

Bobbyraz49 · 07-26-2020, 12:19 PM

Great discussion.

ALB123 · 07-26-2020, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMattingly

What are their splits?

#1 seems to fit your situation more as he's established and more of a sure thing for a team that is in win-now mode.

Did he change the screenshots? I see Righty/Lefty splits for both player's 2020 stats.

DonMattingly · 07-26-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ALB123

Did he change the screenshots? I see Righty/Lefty splits for both player's 2020 stats.

I don't see the ratings splits.

shipfb21 · 07-26-2020, 05:36 PM

I would go with the top guy. This guy has proven he can hit at the major league level. With your team contending, I would much rather have the known commodity. The second player may be able to develop into a better player down the road, but are you going to count on a player with such little big league experience to make any type of impact down the stretch or in the post season? The top guy has shown some power and in my opinion a contending team could always use another power bat come post season.

rudel.dietrich · 07-26-2020, 06:51 PM

If you are 42 games above .500 I would say don't do anything.

But if your insistent on doing a trade I would say take the top guy.
The bottom guy has less eye so he is very dependent on BABIP for his OBP. And that can vary wildly.
The first guy while roughly the same contact hitter, even when he is not getting hits can still draw some walks and remain a more consistent run producer.

Also the age difference is deceiving, they are only 95 days apart in age.

And the most important thing. The first guy has close to 1500 PA against major league pitching and shown that can be produce.
The bottom guy as late as LAST SEASON was in single A ball as a 26 year old and was not exactly lighting it up.
Late into his age 27 year he got to face MLB pitching for the first time and he has been awful.
I would say he is a career AAAA player. Someone to bring up in September or for dire injury needs.

The first guy while not anywhere close to all-star level has at least shown with a significant sample size that he is a bit of a net positive on offense.

I don't even see this as being an argument.
If someone in an online league offered me anything of value for the second guy I would take it without hesitation.
He is a player in his late 20's I have given up on and just keep around on the AAA roster for emergencies.

So my suggestion would be

1. Don't do anything, your 42 games above .500 and the playoffs are always about luck more than anything.

2. Take the top guy if you can find a trade where you are not giving up a whole lot.

rudel.dietrich · 07-26-2020, 06:59 PM

Also, I almost never see someone who is about to be 28 years old in OOTP develop into their potential.
I would say with over a 99% chance of being correct based on what I have seen in the game, that the bottom player is who he is going to be until he starts to decline.

rudel.dietrich · 07-26-2020, 07:02 PM

Also, not to pile on. And I am not sure how long your online league has been going.
But it looks like back in November of 2017 that the GM of whomever had the bottom player already (wisely) game up on him and let him go. And the team that signed him now got him as a minor league FA probably as a long shot flyer player.

CBeisbol · 07-26-2020, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Also, not to pile on.

Feels like piling on

If I were a bad team, looking to take a chance on talent, I'd take the second player

As a good team looking to fortify and guard against "chance" I'd take the first player

RBI Baseball · 07-26-2020, 11:36 PM

I vote Player 1. You're looking for immediate production, and the 27 y/o who's flopping in his first taste of MLB is more hope than anything. You'll want the proven guy. Dollars and personality shouldn't be deciding factors with where your team is at.

olseam1 · 07-27-2020, 10:08 AM

Where do you get the personality traits. In my version I dont get any "highs/lows" just a few lines on the player like "Jeff gets along well with his teammates."

I have updated to the latest patch as of 7/22 etc.

07-25-2020, 12:26 PM	#5
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	You say you want them to face lefty-pitchers. Where are the vs L splits and ratings? Agree that the top player looks better. I wouldn't worry about the personality too much. Winning usually takes care of that and they aren't labeled as "disruptive" Last edited by CBeisbol; 07-25-2020 at 12:27 PM.

07-25-2020, 03:04 PM	#6
Pdubya64 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 491	I'd have to go with the second player. Not only is he a better influence and example to have in the clubhouse, but he is younger, cheaper and may even grow in skills. The top player is nice, but as you say, 30 is the wrong side of "prime age" and his demands coupled with greed means you are in for a hell of a time signing him at a reasonable salary from the club's point-of-view. I say put your Bill Belichick hat on and cut him or let him go. Actually, my main reason would be to save that money it would take to sign player A and stash it or put it towards scouting another player you might need, or even up your Head Scout or if you like him, increase his department's budget. Just my two cents. __________________ "Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes." - Roy Batty Blade Runner

07-26-2020, 05:44 AM	#8
ALB123 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 638	I like the bottom guy. Based on your record, your team is obviously doing something right and not struggling. So, for me, bottom guy appears to be a better investment over the next handful of years. He's only 95 days younger than the 1st guy, but he's millions cheaper with equal, at least, and probably better overall skills as a ball player. OF Position ratings are opposite, but close enough that either player would most likely learn their "weaker" position quite quickly, but player #2 edges player #1 in OF DEF characteristics. Player #1 is a teeny bit faster overall, but Player #2 destroys him on the basepaths where runs are scored/made. Player #2 has worse current batting statistics, but he's played half the games as Top guy and I 'm sure once he gets into a strong lineup, like yours, he'll do better. Bottom guy for me...all the way. If you don't want him, could I have him? __________________ "I'm on the side that's always lost against the side of Heaven. I'm on the side of snake-eyes tossed against the side of seven" - Leonard Cohen "The Captain"

07-26-2020, 06:51 PM	#15
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	If you are 42 games above .500 I would say don't do anything. But if your insistent on doing a trade I would say take the top guy. The bottom guy has less eye so he is very dependent on BABIP for his OBP. And that can vary wildly. The first guy while roughly the same contact hitter, even when he is not getting hits can still draw some walks and remain a more consistent run producer. Also the age difference is deceiving, they are only 95 days apart in age. And the most important thing. The first guy has close to 1500 PA against major league pitching and shown that can be produce. The bottom guy as late as LAST SEASON was in single A ball as a 26 year old and was not exactly lighting it up. Late into his age 27 year he got to face MLB pitching for the first time and he has been awful. I would say he is a career AAAA player. Someone to bring up in September or for dire injury needs. The first guy while not anywhere close to all-star level has at least shown with a significant sample size that he is a bit of a net positive on offense. I don't even see this as being an argument. If someone in an online league offered me anything of value for the second guy I would take it without hesitation. He is a player in his late 20's I have given up on and just keep around on the AAA roster for emergencies. So my suggestion would be 1. Don't do anything, your 42 games above .500 and the playoffs are always about luck more than anything. 2. Take the top guy if you can find a trade where you are not giving up a whole lot. Last edited by rudel.dietrich; 07-26-2020 at 06:57 PM.

07-27-2020, 10:08 AM	#20
olseam1 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 13	Question Where do you get the personality traits. In my version I dont get any "highs/lows" just a few lines on the player like "Jeff gets along well with his teammates." I have updated to the latest patch as of 7/22 etc.

07-25-2020, 02:31 AM	#1
Mike Lowe Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,165	Help me Decide on a Trade Please help me decide on which player to pursue via trade. I don't think either one would cost much. Scenario You're a first place team a week away from the trade deadline. You have a 73-31 record and a 13.5 game lead in the AL West. You are wanting to add a bat, specifically one who can start against LHP. Anything extra is a nice bonus. Either guy could be a consideration for the 2021 season too as I have a RF I am 50/50 on resigning. He's been stellar, but I don't think I want to pay him as he'll be 30 and wants a ton of money. Neither of the guys below would supplant my current starter in RF, but they could potentially replace my starting LF who was a Rule 5 guy. Player 1 seems the better player, but I worry a great deal about what he might do to our 'ecstatic' team chemistry. We went to the World Series last year and lost, but have carried over the strong momentum and chemistry we've had since the 2019 season. This is a daily-sim online league. Thanks for the feedback! Attached Images __________________ Franchise. Sliders. @MikeLowe47 \| YouTube \| Discord

07-25-2020, 11:05 AM	#2
Bobbyraz49 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 933	IMO....bottom guy. Am new to the game but when I see "blue" on a player's page, I'm interested. Let's us see what happens.

07-25-2020, 11:33 AM	#3
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I also lean toward player 2 for the same reason. Could also use him as a baserunner.

07-25-2020, 11:52 AM	#4
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,850	Player 2 is more of my kind of player. I like the hitter profile (line drive vs. flyball), high AvK, and leader personality.

07-26-2020, 08:53 AM	#9
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	So you guys like the fella with the .432 OPS.... I do not like either one of them, but I'd take the fella who has double the OPS and has hit 35 HR in a season if I had to pick one...

07-26-2020, 10:24 AM	#10
DonMattingly Major Leagues Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 310	What are their splits? #1 seems to fit your situation more as he's established and more of a sure thing for a team that is in win-now mode.

07-26-2020, 12:19 PM	#11
Bobbyraz49 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 933	Great discussion.

07-26-2020, 05:36 PM	#14
shipfb21 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 117	I would go with the top guy. This guy has proven he can hit at the major league level. With your team contending, I would much rather have the known commodity. The second player may be able to develop into a better player down the road, but are you going to count on a player with such little big league experience to make any type of impact down the stretch or in the post season? The top guy has shown some power and in my opinion a contending team could always use another power bat come post season.

07-26-2020, 06:59 PM	#16
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Also, I almost never see someone who is about to be 28 years old in OOTP develop into their potential. I would say with over a 99% chance of being correct based on what I have seen in the game, that the bottom player is who he is going to be until he starts to decline.

07-26-2020, 07:02 PM	#17
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Also, not to pile on. And I am not sure how long your online league has been going. But it looks like back in November of 2017 that the GM of whomever had the bottom player already (wisely) game up on him and let him go. And the team that signed him now got him as a minor league FA probably as a long shot flyer player.

07-26-2020, 11:36 PM	#19
RBI Baseball Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 50	I vote Player 1. You're looking for immediate production, and the 27 y/o who's flopping in his first taste of MLB is more hope than anything. You'll want the proven guy. Dollars and personality shouldn't be deciding factors with where your team is at.