Face of the Franchise is a disaster

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Why would they decline before September? People will continue to crave the Padres mission if they have not completed it. People will push for all of the missions to obtain the final reward when they see it and realize how overpowered it is. The lifespan of the live missions was far longer than a few weeks after the complete release. We haven't even seen the vast majority of the FOTF content yet.

But seriously, how would one release these otherwise? I guess you could drop them all at once, but then you would have to come up with something to fill up the next weeks or months. Or would you? Would people be happy with no new missions (or only new 'simple' missions) until, dunno, September?

[Ty Cobb]

You're all too correct, Professor. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

I would differ with you on the single Perfect League. I think it's a great idea. I'm a very low budget player, almost FTP with no chance of getting there. Truth be told though, I don't know or care who's in the PL...I know I don't want to drop the dollars it would take to get there, so I'm content to survey my Iron, Bronze, Silver, and Gold world with the rare peek into Diamond. What was it Judge Smails said? "The world needs ditchdiggers too, Danny." I'm going back to digging my ditch, working on projects to help make the game more fun for me and (hopefully) others. It's still the best game in town, and I intend to enjoy that.

Got some Duke Ellington, a generous Crown rocks, an understanding wife. two great dogs, a southwestern chicken salad for dinner, OOTP on the Macbook...and FREE MLB TV for a year from my cell provider...sounds like a great night for baseball...see y'all tomorrow!

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Spieler

But seriously, how would one release these otherwise? I guess you could drop them all at once, but then you would have to come up with something to fill up the next weeks or months. Or would you? Would people be happy with no new missions (or only new 'simple' missions) until, dunno, September?

Bailey gave you the answer in the very first post.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Bailey gave you the answer in the very first post.

I don't think "all brand new cards only in a collection" is the answer. The NL collection is anything but cheap. I think somewhere it was said that all cards will be in a collection at some point. I guess the question is, how to release those collections

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Spieler

I think somewhere it was said that all cards will be in a collection at some point.

I think this is the problem.

[Tinkerman]

Originally Posted by Spieler

I don't think "all brand new cards only in a collection" is the answer. The NL collection is anything but cheap. I think somewhere it was said that all cards will be in a collection at some point. I guess the question is, how to release those collections

I think players have to accept that there is a pecking order, in terms of collections like the NL. Early in the game, collections like that are great for F2P players to potentially profit from.

The key is for the devs to construct the missions in such a way as to not overly inflate the price of 'far from great' cards. Cards selling for >10x their established value is kind of ugly.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I think this is the problem.

Yeah, but weren't most cards in a collection last year, too?

I guess if you are doing root cause analysis, those easy Live collections backfired. True upgrades over the Live reward cards are rare as a percentage of the whole, and are now (temporarily or not) more expensive.

This is a little too much like my day job, I play the game to get a break from that LOL. So sorry if I don't put hours of thought or argumentation into this.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Spieler

This is a little too much like my day job, I play the game to get a break from that LOL. So sorry if I don't put hours of thought or argumentation into this.

I don't have answers either. I just know that the FOTF release has made the game far less enjoyable for me, and apparently for many others too.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Good on you for planning and anticipating.

Silly me, I just took Kris at his word that "historical team missions were going away" and switched my plan over to the types of missions that were enumerated in the first TWIPT for 21.

I guess "going away" means "going away until the middle of the year."

I won't make that mistake again.

My dad taught me an important lesson growing up. It's a saying I've heard from him time and time again. "Say what you mean and mean what you say."

To say I'm pissed about the bait-and-switch would be an understatement.

And I mean that.

Where can I find that quote?

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I don't have answers either. I just know that the FOTF release has made the game far less enjoyable for me, and apparently for many others too.

I don't have too much of an opinion on FOTF as the only missions I really paid to do were the live missions and I sold most of those rewards.

Since then, I realized missions cost more than the rewards unless you have a huge upfront budget, I just bought packs over and over and never sold a single historical I didn't have a duplicate for. Duplicates that had a mission I'd list, and those that had no mission I deactivated.

That said, I never tried to corner the market on anything, I only bought cards speculatively if they had no mission and were cheap. I made some good deals and some cards didn't sell but prices are dropping and that's fine.


I have seen some greedy people. Last 7 50pp - listed for 2000pp.

Let's get our humanity back. I know, some FTP folks are doing whatever they can to make a buck but jeez.

[SF Giants]

Originally Posted by Spieler

But seriously, how would one release these otherwise? I guess you could drop them all at once, but then you would have to come up with something to fill up the next weeks or months. Or would you? Would people be happy with no new missions (or only new 'simple' missions) until, dunno, September?

There's a small mind trick in what is being released every week. If you think about it, what Kris shows in his streams are just rewards. He never reveals what cards are in collections.

All collections can be released at once in the beginning BUT with unknown reward for collecting them therefore couldn't be technically finished until opened (announced on the stream). Additionally devs could choose if to announce time when each of the collections will be made public or choose randomly and announce only during stream. I am not saying this is right approach, just putting one more idea into space...

I also like what bailey said in the first post - releasing missions together with set of new cards. Nevertheless, the best approach is combination of multiple ideas. Team collections are must have thing and it must stay in PT universe also for next years but as everyone knows it is there, why not to use the idea I mentioned above just for these ? And for others just drop the new sets - I can't imagine dropping XX new cards for Padres just for FotF collection... but I can imagine it for some specific subgroup of players like negro, japanese, canadian, veterans, sons&fathers etc... (although these small subgroups don't cause that many problems as fotf)

[getalife1798]

Just another layer of releasing teams later in the game's cycle and not all at once....

When we get new content this week and in the following weeks...will those "new" players be needed to complete the FOTF collections for those teams that are releasing a later date?

If that's the case.....man, those new silver, gold, and diamond cards are going to be super expensive.

[Marleigh]

Originally Posted by getalife1798

Just another layer of releasing teams later in the game's cycle and not all at once....

When we get new content this week and in the following weeks...will those "new" players be needed to complete the FOTF collections for those teams that are releasing a later date?

If that's the case.....man, those new silver, gold, and diamond cards are going to be super expensive.

Past releases would indicate yes as they have tended to release players that are then needed a few weeks later (hence the price of bronze vlad jr)

[Genghiskhan]

I'm a ftp player in diamond and I was initially very angry about these new fotf missions. But now the dust has settled I've had time to consider if I was over reacting.

So there are 2 main downsides, 1 these missions will be impossible for 99% of players and doing missions has always been a good way of earning points plus having fun. We'll points I'll come to, the fun aspect is a loss. I enjoyed the historic missions previously as you learned a bit about the players and teams involved, like who was in these great teams , now all that matters is the team they played for. So that's my main issue.

2nd issue. Is the ah chaos. These missions have essentially removed low tier diamonds from the game. There's literally no point in buying a sub 95 diamond now as they are pretty much the same price as the higher cards. For lower level ftp players that's an issue and will lead to more se only teams, pretty boring. However this might be offset by the investing opportunities a patient player can cash in on any missions that drop then buy the players they want once the dust settles. However you'd need some existing pp to make this work. In addition if everyone is doing this then card hoarding becomes an even bigger problem than it is now. For next year I'd actually propose a max number of unlocked cards you can have at any one time to mitigate, but tgas probably for another thread.

So in conclusion, I think fotf is bad but maybe not as bad as I first thought as I does also open up new opportunities if you are willing to play the ah a bit. For those not willing/able to do that I get 100% why you hate this.

[webdox]

I had a long winded post in Word but decided to leave at this abridged version, I spend far, far more time still playing and enjoying OOTP 20 than I do 21. I will still even spend money there if an opportunity presents for a card I have long since been coveting.

I had two objectives and have satisfied them on 21 and as of right now have no need or indication to spend any more money unless something else catches my eye. I wanted to complete the Negro League (which was complicated by them doubling the cards) and all the Futures. Along the way pulling packs to achieve that goal I completed the full set of Live Cards and the full set of Unsung Heroes.

I was already pretty well done before FOTF popped so I can't add much more other than to say I am not digging the direction the game is headed.

I am in what I think is a largest group that exists. I fall into that category between whales and FTP. I spend a good deal of money on this game and doing that last year, though it took me until the end of the season, my Saginaw Stripers aren't too shabby. They can compete with the some of the best. Compete I say. Not usually win. It would take a few more key pieces to get up to that level but I am close.

That same dream was squashed very early after the release of 21. Made it up to Diamond fast and spent well over a grand but as more and more and MORE expensive cards came out I dropped out to just have fun with all all Negro League team and a Futures Team. I can compete very well in LIVE tournaments with every card there is to play with so there is that, too. Not a loss at all.

Just a let down.

[smales72]

Originally Posted by webdox

That same dream was squashed very early after the release of 21. Made it up to Diamond fast and spent well over a grand but as more and more and MORE expensive cards came out I dropped out to just have fun with all all Negro League team and a Futures Team.

Just a let down.

I hadn't considered people spending over $1,000 on this game (or maybe I did and didn't want to acknowledge it). As an FTP player what are we doing here. I'm not cheap but am not spending thousands to compete with Spaudling Smales who should be playing tennis today. Or golf.

Kudos if the outfit is pulling a profit but curious as to the excitement for v22.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by getalife1798

When we get new content this week and in the following weeks...will those "new" players be needed to complete the FOTF collections for those teams that are releasing a later date?

If that's the case.....man, those new silver, gold, and diamond cards are going to be super expensive.

Originally Posted by Marleigh

Past releases would indicate yes as they have tended to release players that are then needed a few weeks later (hence the price of bronze vlad jr)

This would probably be the easiest for them to alleviate, since the collections are probably created manually by the team and not via some algorithm. So any (historical) card issued since game release is optional in a (team) mission, no matter it's value. Exception being collections of brand new cards (e.g. NL), of course.

[waittilnextyear]

Originally Posted by Genghiskhan

I'm a ftp player in diamond and I was initially very angry about these new fotf missions. But now the dust has settled I've had time to consider if I was over reacting.

So there are 2 main downsides, 1 these missions will be impossible for 99% of players and doing missions has always been a good way of earning points plus having fun. We'll points I'll come to, the fun aspect is a loss. I enjoyed the historic missions previously as you learned a bit about the players and teams involved, like who was in these great teams , now all that matters is the team they played for. So that's my main issue.

2nd issue. Is the ah chaos. These missions have essentially removed low tier diamonds from the game. There's literally no point in buying a sub 95 diamond now as they are pretty much the same price as the higher cards. For lower level ftp players that's an issue and will lead to more se only teams, pretty boring. However this might be offset by the investing opportunities a patient player can cash in on any missions that drop then buy the players they want once the dust settles. However you'd need some existing pp to make this work. In addition if everyone is doing this then card hoarding becomes an even bigger problem than it is now. For next year I'd actually propose a max number of unlocked cards you can have at any one time to mitigate, but tgas probably for another thread.

So in conclusion, I think fotf is bad but maybe not as bad as I first thought as I does also open up new opportunities if you are willing to play the ah a bit. For those not willing/able to do that I get 100% why you hate this.

Eh, I'm pretty sure if you can conquer all of Eurasia, that you can handle FOTF.

[Snowball]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

Eh, I'm pretty sure if you can conquer all of Eurasia, that you can handle FOTF.

Hi. Just wanted to see my signature that's all

[Catchthedamnball]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Hi. Just wanted to see my signature that's all

You said nothing.
Thanks.