Face of the Franchise is a disaster

[Drezik]

[Perspective of Someone Planning For These Missions Since Day 1]

So - Just putting my two cents in...The historical team missions were my favorite part of PT last year, by far. I decided at the beginning of the year my strategy was going to be built around these missions regardless of how long they took to come out.

Started collecting since day 1. I've only sold diamond duplicates and a select few high value cards where I thought the PP was worth more than me having them in my collection. (100 Boudreau, 99 Clemente, 98 Paige). I also sold all my SE cards from missions. Needed as much PP to rip packs as I could get my hands on.

Needless to say this strategy hurt my in the short term, hoping to benefit in the long run. I will say however that I have spend a decent amount of cash on this game to help fuel my pack ripping addiction...so I do have a decent team. Haven't won Diamond yet but I'm am competitive every year.

Now to the point....After sitting on my thoughts for almost a week, I think I've made a mistake. After collecting since day 1, I didn't complete a single FOTF last week. Not even close really. Granted I'm set up well for some of the other teams, but it was still disheartening.

Then throw in the fact that I could just pull these guys in packs and it almost begs the question of whats even the point?

Maybe the final missions will be worth it but at this point I think I might be better off selling and going all in by getting players like Speaker, Connor, Randy Johnson, etc.

For those curious, below is where I stand on Diamond+ cards for each franchise. I did combine some teams (LA Dodgers/Brooklyn Dodgers for example) as that's how the missions were built last year.

[PocketsAintFull]

Originally Posted by dkgo

The pack odds are fine. I open them in sets of 100 and generally get the expected return. The problem is that there are so many different cards for such a small userbase that the supply of any single one is not sufficient for it to be required to complete a collection.

I did start to consider whether the card count could easily be reduced by 1000 or so. I don't remember the exact number but we're 2-3k+ right?

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by dkgo

The pack odds are fine. I open them in sets of 100 and generally get the expected return. The problem is that there are so many different cards for such a small userbase that the supply of any single one is not sufficient for it to be required to complete a collection.

That is a very good point. The amount of cards to me is a big draw because I just love to see who all has a card, who I will pull, etc.
But with the user base and all missions being collection based only, it does bring its set of challenges.
I did make the suggestion in another thread about having varying types of missions with some being statistical in nature. That is starting to make even more sense now, thinking about it...

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by PocketsAintFull

I did start to consider whether the card count could easily be reduced by 1000 or so. I don't remember the exact number but we're 2-3k+ right?

4031 according to the PT collection screen.

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by Drezik

[Perspective of Someone Planning For These Missions Since Day 1]

So - Just putting my two cents in...The historical team missions were my favorite part of PT last year, by far. I decided at the beginning of the year my strategy was going to be built around these missions regardless of how long they took to come out.

Good on you for planning and anticipating.

Silly me, I just took Kris at his word that "historical team missions were going away" and switched my plan over to the types of missions that were enumerated in the first TWIPT for 21.

I guess "going away" means "going away until the middle of the year."

I won't make that mistake again.

My dad taught me an important lesson growing up. It's a saying I've heard from him time and time again. "Say what you mean and mean what you say."

To say I'm pissed about the bait-and-switch would be an understatement.

And I mean that.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by eldur00

That is a very good point. The amount of cards to me is a big draw because I just love to see who all has a card, who I will pull, etc.
But with the user base and all missions being collection based only, it does bring its set of challenges.
I did make the suggestion in another thread about having varying types of missions with some being statistical in nature. That is starting to make even more sense now, thinking about it...

Having a lot of DIFFERENT cards is cool and a draw, but most of the cards are superfluous versions of cards that already exist. There isn't a lot of value-add by having multiple versions of the same player at the same rarity tier.

I would definitely like some sort of achievement based missions. It should encourage you to actually PLAY with different cards from different franchises not simply buy them, lock them, and forget them.

[Kris Jardine]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Good on you for planning and anticipating.

Silly me, I just took Kris at his word that "historical team missions were going away" and switched my plan over to the types of missions that were enumerated in the first TWIPT for 21.

I guess "going away" means "going away until the middle of the year."

I won't make that mistake again.

My dad taught me an important lesson growing up. It's a saying I've heard from him time and time again. "Say what you mean and mean what you say."

To say I'm pissed about the bait-and-switch would be an understatement.

And I mean that.

Feel free to go back and listen to what I said in the podcast starting at the 29:58 mark. If you want to still call me a liar after that (which is essentially what you are doing without using the word), feel free to do so.
https://ootpnow.libsyn.com/perfect-team-21-revealed

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Kris Jardine

Feel free to go back and listen to what I said in the podcast starting at the 29:58 mark. If you want to still call me a liar after that (which is essentially what you are doing without using the word), feel free to do so.
https://ootpnow.libsyn.com/perfect-team-21-revealed

At the 30:13 mark... "I know I said that team history missions were kinda gone... they are". What should he infer from that?

[Kris Jardine]

Originally Posted by Orcin

At the 30:13 mark... "I know I said that team history missions were kinda gone... they are". What should he infer from that?

Listen to the VERY NEXT line...

I know you guys want to paint me as the bad guy, that's fine, I can take the heat. But I literally said Franchise Icons (what they were called at the time) "were going to wrap in that team history aspect"

If you don't like the program, that's fine. I've read every word of this thread and the other threads and the private messages and it all goes into the feedback pile to help make the game better. But the jabs at my nationality and inferring that I somehow lied to the community is just not necessary and untrue.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Kris Jardine

Listen to the VERY NEXT line...

I know you guys want to paint me as the bad guy, that's fine, I can take the heat. But I literally said Franchise Icons (what they were called at the time) "were going to wrap in that team history aspect"

I did listen to this line. I didn't think you meant something exactly like team history missions, because you had just said they were gone.

By the way, I didn't blame you for anything anywhere in this thread. I merely tried to point out that what you said could easily have been inferred to mean what BigRed75 thought it meant. It's constructive criticism. Accept or ignore as you wish.

[Kris Jardine]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I did listen to this line. I didn't think you meant something exactly like team history missions, because you had just said they were gone.

By the way, I didn't blame you for anything anywhere in this thread. I merely tried to point out that what you said could easily have been inferred to mean what BigRed75 thought it meant. It's constructive criticism. Accept or ignore as you wish.

Thanks for the feedback, have a good one

[Spieler]

Seriously, it's called "Face of the Franchise" (or Franchise Icon, whatever). What the hell were you all expecting?? If you have been watching the existing historical missions, the majority that require bronze or lower level cards require ALL of them (Deadball Bronzes?), something that changed vs last year. Sure, the bronzes got more expensive, but at least I can still buy one every day or two without lifting a finger playing the market or tournaments. A bloody HUGE improvement over the Hank Aaron/Dusty Baker or Bill Freehan bottlenecks from the last version.

Seems like any mission that can't be completed the week it comes out AND be profitable "sucks". Maybe people just got spoiled by the softball Live missions. I wonder how many of those SE reward cards are being quick-sold these days...

[des223]

Originally Posted by Spieler

Seems like any mission that can't be completed the week it comes out AND be profitable "sucks". Maybe people just got spoiled by the softball Live missions.

To me, I'm not upset at all that I can't complete the FOTF missions. The consequence of FOTF, though, is that my team that's in a Gold League can't really make any improvements via the Auction House, as all historical cards have jumped in price since FOTF was introduced. (Only Diamond or Perfect cards will make my team better at this point.) I'm a patient guy who loves PT (it's my first year playing the game), and don't mind if I have to rely on tournament-won packs to improve my team...but I can see why others would be annoyed when one path to improving your team - the Auction House - is severely limited suddenly.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by des223

To me, I'm not upset at all that I can't complete the FOTF missions. The consequence of FOTF, though, is that my team that's in a Gold League can't really make any improvements via the Auction House, as all historical cards have jumped in price since FOTF was introduced. (Only Diamond or Perfect cards will make my team better at this point.) I'm a patient guy who loves PT (it's my first year playing the game), and don't mind if I have to rely on tournament-won packs to improve my team...but I can see why others would be annoyed when one path to improving your team - the Auction House - is severely limited suddenly.

I get that. But as the newer ones come out, the older ones will revert more back to the mean. It was like that in the earlier versions, too. Except for the true bottlenecks, those were expensive unicorns then.

[chazzycat]

finishing all FOTF? hahahah that's a good one. I'd like to finish just ONE of them. The reality is that it will likely take months.

And don't tell me to grind more tourneys. I'm already the top tourney grinder in the whole game.

Things just aren't balanced. Collections & associated market speculation overpower everything else.

[Orcin]

I don't expect to complete any FOTF missions, and I never did. I did expect to be able to buy historical cards that I want for my team in the AH at realistic prices. Example: 90 Joe Thatcher... avg price 10K - that's ok... but last 7 days price 78K, current price 95K. Does that sound like a healthy game economy?

[Spieler]

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt those prices will be the same in a few weeks.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Spieler

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt those prices will be the same in a few weeks.

Why would they decline before September? People will continue to crave the Padres mission if they have not completed it. People will push for all of the missions to obtain the final reward when they see it and realize how overpowered it is. The lifespan of the live missions was far longer than a few weeks after the complete release. We haven't even seen the vast majority of the FOTF content yet.

[Spieler]

OK, good point.

[steamrollers]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Why would they decline before September? People will continue to crave the Padres mission if they have not completed it. People will push for all of the missions to obtain the final reward when they see it and realize how overpowered it is. The lifespan of the live missions was far longer than a few weeks after the complete release. We haven't even seen the vast majority of the FOTF content yet.

This is spot on. While we can hope that prices go down in a few weeks the fact that you will need all these cards won't go away. We have until the end of September and then when people see the insanely juiced reward from that maybe months more before you can legitimately expect prices to fall.



If people were a little upset about so many cookie cutter teams now well for a large majority of them the AH is a no go for improvements now. Just have to hope you hit some miracle pulls from packs.