Grady=Dusty

kingfc22 · 10-17-2003, 12:08 AM

It kills me watching these guys manage. USE the damn bullpen. !@#!#

skkrrt · 10-17-2003, 12:10 AM

IMO opinion its a different situation...

The Redsox bullpen isn't great to begin with..and Pedro is quite a bit better then Wood...

still though he should have pulled him after the double

CubsSox · 10-17-2003, 12:10 AM

I was just about to post the same thing.

Wakefield and Lowe should be the ones warming up!!!

Timlin or Embree will blow the game I'm calling it right now.

Little should be fired if he loses his game, didn't he watch Game 7 of Cubs vs. Marlins at all???

CubsSox · 10-17-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by skkrrt
IMO opinion its a different situation...

The Redsox bullpen isn't great to begin with..and Pedro is quite a bit better then Wood...

still though he should have pulled him after the double

Cubs pen isn't what I would call good either... thats why you gotta bring in some starters.

skkrrt · 10-17-2003, 12:13 AM

Oh yes, starters.

I do think he was in about 1 (2?) batters too long...but he didn't do it 2 straight games (ala baker).

Operation Shutdown · 10-17-2003, 12:13 AM

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Wakefield and Lowe should be the ones warming up!!!

Exactly what I was thinking. Anyone here noticing a trend, that the managers that are using their best pitchers, starters if need be, seem to be winning the games. McKeon used Beckett out of the bullpen, and that move was brilliant, while Dusty stuck with his weak bullpen, and that proved costly. Torre uses Mussina and Wells and they didn't give up a single run. Little sticks with his week bullpen. Let's just hope it doesn't backfire on the Red Sox.

CubsSox · 10-17-2003, 12:15 AM

Seriously why isn't Wakefield warming up?

The Yankees haven't been able to hit his knuckler all series and considering it goes 65 mph, I'm pretty sure he's up to a 100 percent.

skkrrt · 10-17-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Operation Shutdown
Exactly what I was thinking. Anyone here noticing a trend, that the managers that are using their best pitchers, starters if need be, seem to be winning the games. McKeon used Beckett out of the bullpen, and that move was brilliant, while Dusty stuck with his weak bullpen, and that proved costly. Torre uses Mussina and Wells and they didn't give up a single run. Little sticks with his week bullpen. Let's just hope it doesn't backfire on the Red Sox.

Wells gave up a jack IIRC

PurdueBrad · 10-17-2003, 12:24 AM

Wakefield wasn't up because of the uncontrollable nature of the knuckler. I wouldn't be surprised to see him enter the game either to start an inning or with nobody on. With the Red Sox history, couldn't you have seen him throwing a hellacious knuckler back to the screen to give up the take the lead run? He IS my favorite player but I wouldn't bring in a knuckleballer in that situation.

holyroller · 10-17-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by skkrrt
Wells gave up a jack IIRC

Not to mention the fact that Wakefield and Lowe have both made relief appearances in the post-season.

skkrrt · 10-17-2003, 12:38 AM

How many innings has Rivera racked up in this series..jw?

Does this guys arm every get tired?

Gastric ReFlux · 10-17-2003, 12:39 AM

Great game, but yeah, it looks like Little let Martinez go on too long.

In Little's defense, unlike Dusty, he did have guys warming up when the inning started.

Mel_Ott · 10-17-2003, 12:44 AM

Too Little, too late...

Jason Moyer · 10-17-2003, 01:29 AM

Ahhhhhahahah.

GO GRADY.

My 3 year old daughter would have taken Pedro out after the 7th.

Jason

draven085 · 10-17-2003, 09:07 AM

Grady Little single handedly cost the Red Sox the pennant. What a frickin' travesty. worst.manager.ever.

CommishJoe · 10-17-2003, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by draven085
Grady Little single handedly cost the Red Sox the pennant. What a frickin' travesty. worst.manager.ever.

When he said last night "We'll come back next year and see if we can win that 1 extra game we needed too" or something close to that, all I could say was "Don't say we, say they, because you probably won't be around any longer"

CommishJoe · 10-17-2003, 10:28 AM

I just remembered this too.

Who's stupid idea was it to paint World Series on Fenway's field before game 7 even started?? That's just asking for the baseball gods to strike you down.

Magyar Bill · 10-17-2003, 10:48 AM

As a Yankees fan, I only have one comment. The real curse that the BoSox have is they have sh#%%y managers. In 1986 and last night, their managers blew the game. When I saw Little go out to the mound, I figured OK, Martinez is out. Hell, everyone figured that! It was a no-brainer. Of course, Martinez wants to stay in, but a good manager would have taken him out. Their pen had been awesome in the ALCS and Martinez was very shaky. I couldn't believe how lucky we were when Little sat on his ass after the next hit and still didn't take Martinez out. After that it was inevitable that the Yanks would win.

Jason Moyer · 10-17-2003, 11:55 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playof...jim&id=1639994

Eric · 10-17-2003, 12:59 PM

Martinez should've been pulled when Little made his first visit. Even I (who lost the last two OOTP world series because I too leave my starters in too long) noticed that the Yankees were getting some good whacks against Martinez.

10-17-2003, 12:08 AM	#1
kingfc22 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 651	Grady=Dusty It kills me watching these guys manage. USE the damn bullpen. !@#!# __________________ GO GIANTS GO NINERS GO LAKERS GO BLUE CUBL - Red Earth Firebirds 2000 CL Central Champs NABL - Washington Senators now Buffalo Bandits

10-17-2003, 12:10 AM	#3
CubsSox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 206	I was just about to post the same thing. Wakefield and Lowe should be the ones warming up!!! Timlin or Embree will blow the game I'm calling it right now. Little should be fired if he loses his game, didn't he watch Game 7 of Cubs vs. Marlins at all??? __________________ It's me... Chae!

10-17-2003, 12:15 AM	#7
CubsSox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 206	Seriously why isn't Wakefield warming up? The Yankees haven't been able to hit his knuckler all series and considering it goes 65 mph, I'm pretty sure he's up to a 100 percent. __________________ It's me... Chae!

10-17-2003, 12:24 AM	#9
PurdueBrad All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 871	Wakefield wasn't up because of the uncontrollable nature of the knuckler. I wouldn't be surprised to see him enter the game either to start an inning or with nobody on. With the Red Sox history, couldn't you have seen him throwing a hellacious knuckler back to the screen to give up the take the lead run? He IS my favorite player but I wouldn't bring in a knuckleballer in that situation. __________________

10-17-2003, 12:38 AM	#11
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	How many innings has Rivera racked up in this series..jw? Does this guys arm every get tired? __________________ Tiger of the Week: Nate Robertson-3rd in the AL in strikeouts (24).

10-17-2003, 12:13 AM	#5
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	Oh yes, starters. I do think he was in about 1 (2?) batters too long...but he didn't do it 2 straight games (ala baker).

10-17-2003, 12:39 AM	#12
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Great game, but yeah, it looks like Little let Martinez go on too long. In Little's defense, unlike Dusty, he did have guys warming up when the inning started.

10-17-2003, 12:44 AM	#13
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	Too Little, too late... __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

10-17-2003, 01:29 AM	#14
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	Ahhhhhahahah. GO GRADY. My 3 year old daughter would have taken Pedro out after the 7th. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

10-17-2003, 09:07 AM	#15
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Grady Little single handedly cost the Red Sox the pennant. What a frickin' travesty. worst.manager.ever.

10-17-2003, 10:28 AM	#17
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I just remembered this too. Who's stupid idea was it to paint World Series on Fenway's field before game 7 even started?? That's just asking for the baseball gods to strike you down. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-17-2003, 10:48 AM	#18
Magyar Bill Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lilburn, GA Posts: 76	As a Yankees fan, I only have one comment. The real curse that the BoSox have is they have sh#%%y managers. In 1986 and last night, their managers blew the game. When I saw Little go out to the mound, I figured OK, Martinez is out. Hell, everyone figured that! It was a no-brainer. Of course, Martinez wants to stay in, but a good manager would have taken him out. Their pen had been awesome in the ALCS and Martinez was very shaky. I couldn't believe how lucky we were when Little sat on his ass after the next hit and still didn't take Martinez out. After that it was inevitable that the Yanks would win.

10-17-2003, 11:55 AM	#19
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playof...jim&id=1639994 __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

10-17-2003, 12:59 PM	#20
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	Martinez should've been pulled when Little made his first visit. Even I (who lost the last two OOTP world series because I too leave my starters in too long) noticed that the Yankees were getting some good whacks against Martinez.