New missions.

[funseeker]

In looking at the latest missions released today, I quickly realized that I haven't got enough pts to complete even one mission. But if I did, I still wouldn't try. The rewards seem to be of very low value compared to the outlay of pts. to get them. What am I missing?

[Stevie Jay]

Unfortunately for us, it seems the design requires a purchase in the PP department.

[Izz]

Originally Posted by funseeker

In looking at the latest missions released today, I quickly realized that I haven't got enough pts to complete even one mission. But if I did, I still wouldn't try. The rewards seem to be of very low value compared to the outlay of pts. to get them. What am I missing?

Outlay of points will typically go down in a week or two. Right now, plenty of players with the mission cards are hoping to make a quick buck.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by funseeker

In looking at the latest missions released today, I quickly realized that I haven't got enough pts to complete even one mission. But if I did, I still wouldn't try. The rewards seem to be of very low value compared to the outlay of pts. to get them. What am I missing?

You aren't missing anything by NOT completing collections. Except for the live missions, the only ones I've completed so far are two missions that awarded packs. I did those ONLY because all the cards needed were already locked by completing the live missions! Some people like them, though, and to these splendid folks you can sell your cards that you get in packs for a bit more than they would otherwise fetch. They don't seem to care that they are paying 2K for a 1K pack.

[HemBear]

There are always missions that will provide help to our team and ones that do not. I believe the purpose was originally to provide players with a similar feel to that of old time baseball card collections. Last year there were plenty of great additions. There is one now,that, if done, gets you one of the best players in the game. Personally I like them. However, other than maybe the Williams card, I probably will not try to finish these at this time as the cards won’t really improve my teams.

[OMGPuppies]

It is a shame that the missions not only raise the price of useful cards but take them out of circulation when they are locked.

[johnwlits]

Originally Posted by OMGPuppies

It is a shame that the missions not only raise the price of useful cards but take them out of circulation when they are locked.

I have a hard time not being cynical about the missions. They're very good for the developers in terms of revenue. It's always going to be good for them for the PP value of cards to increase, because that means more people spending real money on PP. Meanwhile, if you're doing a F2P team, a card you might have had your eye on just skyrocketed in price because it's suddenly included in a mission.

[spatrick4]

The 1940's mission is the good one. Ted Williams 100 card is pretty sweet and going for at least 225K now. Not sure how much it would cost to get it though.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by johnwlits

I have a hard time not being cynical about the missions. They're very good for the developers in terms of revenue. It's always going to be good for them for the PP value of cards to increase, because that means more people spending real money on PP. Meanwhile, if you're doing a F2P team, a card you might have had your eye on just skyrocketed in price because it's suddenly included in a mission.

I agree that most of the missions are not worth while to chase but similar to the tournaments, they do add another optional element to Perfect Team which I appreciate. It would get pretty boring if it was all about the main game. Now that I have completed the live missions and have a solid team, I get excited when I pull a card that is part of a mission with a good reward. It gives me something to build towards over time.

[rdt24]

Originally Posted by funseeker

In looking at the latest missions released today, I quickly realized that I haven't got enough pts to complete even one mission. But if I did, I still wouldn't try. The rewards seem to be of very low value compared to the outlay of pts. to get them. What am I missing?

The above is correct that Collections will get more affordable through the year as demand drops for those missions. Collections also hold value if the pieces you collect for the reward are useable for your team which I assume you are not accounting for at the moment.

Originally Posted by johnwlits

I have a hard time not being cynical about the missions. They're very good for the developers in terms of revenue. It's always going to be good for them for the PP value of cards to increase, because that means more people spending real money on PP. Meanwhile, if you're doing a F2P team, a card you might have had your eye on just skyrocketed in price because it's suddenly included in a mission.

I disagree with this - the collections give FTP an excellent way to make PP by selling off collection parts. My first sizable amount of PP after the Live missions came from selling off parts for the Babe Ruth and Whitaker missions when they were released, and allowed me to improvements elsewhere.

It's even been relatively easy recently too to work out what cards will be profitable given how we've been doing 'TOTD' three straight releases in a row.


As an aside to the above, I find the concept of Collections fun, so have been doing a number of them even if I'm only breaking even from doing so.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by funseeker

In looking at the latest missions released today, I quickly realized that I haven't got enough pts to complete even one mission. But if I did, I still wouldn't try. The rewards seem to be of very low value compared to the outlay of pts. to get them. What am I missing?

I am in full agreement with you and most others that I see posting in this thread. This morning I came to the same conclusion as you. Sadly, most missions are not worth the time, trouble, or cost. I have been selling off Historical Cards all day that I have been collecting since release.

[Catchthedamnball]

Originally Posted by rdt24

I disagree with this - the collections give FTP an excellent way to make PP by selling off collection parts. My first sizable amount of PP after the Live missions came from selling off parts for the Babe Ruth and Whitaker missions when they were released, and allowed me to improvements elsewhere.

Selling off collection parts you luck into having, as you cited in the Ruth/Whit example, doesn't really solve the problem of there being fewer options with which to build your squad. Before this morning, Arky Vaughan was one of the few solid SS you could get in the 30k range. Naturally, one could have foreseen once they figured out the gist of TOTD that Arky might become a casualty. But now that Arky is in the set, A) his price will likely go up making him worse value and B) it'll be harder to find him on the AH. So now there's no fair-value diamond shortstop who can hold his own in DL for less than 60k.

[Tinkerman]

Looking around in the AH this morning, it seems like the missions are having a bit less of an inflationary effect as time goes by. I personally don't think most of the rewards are that great, and that's from a F2P standpoint. So, until the missions are profitable, I won't be touching them. However, there's a couple that might fit my agenda over the next couple of weeks, so I'm at least considering completing some of them. Woot!

[rdt24]

Originally Posted by Catchthedamnball

Selling off collection parts you luck into having, as you cited in the Ruth/Whit example, doesn't really solve the problem of there being fewer options with which to build your squad. Before this morning, Arky Vaughan was one of the few solid SS you could get in the 30k range. Naturally, one could have foreseen once they figured out the gist of TOTD that Arky might become a casualty. But now that Arky is in the set, A) his price will likely go up making him worse value and B) it'll be harder to find him on the AH. So now there's no fair-value diamond shortstop who can hold his own in DL for less than 60k.

Arky was selling for 30k all of yesterday and the price wasn't different to the previous weeks in the AH. This was because only 3 (I think?) diamonds were needed out of 11 reasonably priced diamonds, and when there's no card bottleneck, the prices remain reasonable - the non-useful diamonds were selling for 15k in that mission.

L7 is still 30k, highest bid all time is still 36k

The main price increase was for the 40's hitters as it's firstly a really good reward, and secondly you need 3/4 of the Diamonds (Doby/Doerr/Gordon/Mize)

[Catchthedamnball]

Originally Posted by rdt24

Arky was selling for 30k all of yesterday and the price wasn't different to the previous weeks in the AH. This was because only 3 (I think?) diamonds were needed out of 11 reasonably priced diamonds, and when there's no card bottleneck, the prices remain reasonable - the non-useful diamonds were selling for 15k in that mission.

L7 is still 30k, highest bid all time is still 36k

The main price increase was for the 40's hitters as it's firstly a really good reward, and secondly you need 3/4 of the Diamonds (Doby/Doerr/Gordon/Mize)

The L7 on Arky jumped 2k in 12 hours. Just wait...

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by bailey

You aren't missing anything by NOT completing collections. Except for the live missions, the only ones I've completed so far are two missions that awarded packs. I did those ONLY because all the cards needed were already locked by completing the live missions! Some people like them, though, and to these splendid folks you can sell your cards that you get in packs for a bit more than they would otherwise fetch. They don't seem to care that they are paying 2K for a 1K pack.

I know I do. I shake my damn head. I now just pack everything while keeping a 100k balance of PP. Mindlessly buy packs and keep cards that are not in collections or sell dups. Having fun doing that. Having invested a third year of ****loads of money I'll likely join Bailey next year and I figure I'll ride my team and pack it the rest of the life of PT20.

[traveller79]

The absence of the multi-mission team rewards with endgame cards is really felt in this iteration. Earning a perfect Doc or Kershaw after hunting the AH for a month felt like an accomplishment. This year's model is artlessly geared toward getting whales to shell out for high-powered cards. That might be good for the business's bottom line, but if you bore/erode the f2p minnow base that feeds the whales you'll face long-term consequences.

The slot-machine nature of free packs via tournaments helps, but I doubt it's enough to retain interest in the long run. May be changes to come and better collection rewards, but at this point I'm comfortable saying PT21 has taken a significant step back from last year's edition.