What happens when someone gets reported for tanking?

[Oneill21]

Just curious what, if anything, happens when somebody gets reported for tanking.


I checked my scores in a gold league and noticed I hammered on a team in one game so checked his players and they are all rated in the 50s. His record has him one game out of relegation. So it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what he's trying to do.



Did some searching and noticed they just changed their roster over to the 50s rated players a couple games ago.

[pstrickert]

Do you want the official answer? Or do you want to know what we've observed over the last two years?

[Orcin]

You should report him if you haven't already. Officially, it will be investigated and appropriate action will be taken if the Terms of Service have been violated.

Please let us know what you observe over the rest of the week.

[USF]

I thought the PT wouldn't let you update changes if you tried that, it would give you an error message?

[Oneill21]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Do you want the official answer? Or do you want to know what we've observed over the last two years?

LOL. Whatever is most likely to happen. If that happens to be nothing, well that sucks.



And yeah, I did report it.

[Oneill21]

Here's a screenshot.

[The Game]

Not saying some people dont tank but how is it determined if one is tanking or not? i have 260 players on my roster. i have played some lesser players the last 4 weeks. All Sox team, Favorite players, All Non Sox team and All pre 1950 players. I havent paid attention to my standings but i havent not made the playoffs each of these 4 weeks. (mid way thru Non Sox team now). I am not tanking but playing players I wouldnt normally play because they are rated in the mid 50's.I just want to play some players i wouldnt play with my best players. My least ranked top 25 player is an 83. I think.

[Oneill21]

Originally Posted by The Game

Not saying some people dont tank but how is it determined if one is tanking or not? i have 260 players on my roster. i have played some lesser players the last 4 weeks. All Sox team, Favorite players, All Non Sox team and All pre 1950 players. I havent paid attention to my standings but i havent not made the playoffs each of these 4 weeks. (mid way thru Non Sox team now). I am not tanking but playing players I wouldnt normally play because they are rated in the mid 50's.I just want to play some players i wouldnt play with my best players. My least ranked top 25 player is an 83. I think.

That's a different situation. This one I encountered was obvious tanking because you could go back and look at who he was playing up until this point in the season. He had your usual gold level guys like Ichiro, Yaz, etc... His record had him just above relegation so it looks like he decided to throw in the towel and change his roster to scrubs to be sure to hit the relegation threshold.

[mayday10]

at least they are using good Iron players

[DonMattingly]

Originally Posted by mayday10

at least they are using good Iron players

Almost looks like they could have confused their main roster for a tournament one, but I doubt it.

[Orcin]

Losing on purpose is tanking. Experimenting with different players is not tanking.

[JeffersonJim]

Report them. Support investigates. Your job is done.
If needed, Support reaches out to the reported to determine what happened.
If needed, Support issues warning(s) or account termination.
If needed, Support continues monitoring the reported's behavior, which may lead to more warning(s) or account termination.

The results are not transparent to the player base, like most reporting systems in games, social media, or life in general. Trust in the fact, OOTP does not want cheaters playing the game to the detriment of the player base.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...hlight=tanking

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, I do not agree. Many people may not even be aware that tanking is against the rules, because they never read them. I think one warning email is fine.

In PT 21 we will have better monitoring, different punishments (i.e. no access to the AH for a period of time) and more safeguards in general, so this is an area where we will definitely improve.

Lastly as I understand it, when you post other folks' team/username information as 'suspected tankers', understand you might be putting your own account at risk per the license agreement 4(k), so do so with caution:

4. Use of Perfect Team Mode
When you access Perfect Team mode, you agree that you will not, nor encourage another party to:

(k) Publish, post, upload or distribute any content in the game and/or on related services, including but not limited to, usernames, team names, forum posts, titles of forum posts, or other graphical or textual material or information, that Out of the Park Developments, in its reasonable and objective judgment, determines is inappropriate, abusive, harassing, obscene, defamatory, threatening, hateful, obscene, infringes on another party's copyrights and/or trademarks, and/or unlawful. Additionally, usernames, team names and other editable and customizable text in-game may not be used to make political, religious or other statements that are potentially controversial, in the judgement of Out of the Park Developments, even if such statements are not specifically inappropriate in and of themselves.

Of course this would be met with same evenhandedness as well by Support. Just understand there are risks.

[Orcin]

"Doesn't read the rules." Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

"No access to the AH for a period of time." This is not even punishing to the tanker. He doesn't need access to the AH while he is in the business of bouncing between levels and piling up points. Once he finishes his "punishment", he spends his ill-gotten loot.

[dkgo]

Feel like we've been talking about this for years but the problem is that the rules are extremely vague. If the season is a lost cause then the best strategy for your team might be to see what deals you can get for your good cards on the auction house and transition to a different type of team.

If this team is intentionally going up and down every year then that is a different story but I don't see evidence in this case.

[JeffersonJim]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Feel like we've been talking about this for years but the problem is that the rules are extremely vague.

I agree in the spirit of what you're saying, but its a bit hyperbolic. The rules are clear from a license point-of-view (re: OOTP), but not spelled out in the player's manual aka how-to-play or how-NOT-to-play (re: the Players). And we can assume less folks read the license agreement than the players manual.

Originally Posted by The Rules

4. Use of Perfect Team Mode
When you access Perfect Team mode, you agree that you will not, nor encourage another party to:

(b) Exploit the game in such a way as to use bugs or other unintended design or coding issues of the software in a manner intended to gain an advantage in gameplay over players who do not use such exploits, or to disrupt the normal operation of the game.

(c) Cheat, deliberately lose, trade wins or Perfect Points, "feed" wins or Perfect Points from one account to another via the auction house or any other method, or otherwise fail to make a good-faith effort to play the game in a fashion intended to win via fair gameplay according to the intended operation of the game. Note that an Out of the Park Developments account is required to play Perfect Team, and individuals are limited to a single OOTP account.

(d) Deliberately manipulate, outside the course of normal gameplay, the game's economy or the economy of any game-related marketplace in a manner intended to gain a financial or competitive advantage.

Originally Posted by dkgo

If the season is a lost cause then the best strategy for your team might be to see what deals you can get for your good cards on the auction house and transition to a different type of team.

If this team is intentionally going up and down every year then that is a different story but I don't see evidence in this case.

Totally agree with this, and OOTP has said over the years they reach out to the Reported and find out 1) what they were doing from their perspective and 2) take action based on that.

[funseeker]

We shall fight on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender. - Winston Churchill

[justpatrick]

Originally Posted by JeffersonJim

I agree in the spirit of what you're saying, but its a bit hyperbolic.

Actually it´s not hyperbole, we have literally been discussing this for years, since PT19 in fact.

There´s no real solution for this- people are going to tank as long as they can get away with it and the only thing you can do is report them.

[eldur00]

Right now it does feel like the only repercussion to tanking is having your team listed on the Forums. Which can only be shameful if you frequent the forums, and feel bad for what you're doing, which chances are it's a no on both accounts.