Promotion/Relegation by Division

lungs · 05-12-2020, 02:55 PM

I’m trying to set up a fictional promotion/relegation system that promotes/relegates based on division. Problem is that the automatic promotion/relegation inevitably screws up the geographic division structure. Eastern teams get put in Central, etc... The league structure of the two leagues are the same (3 divisions, East,central, west) and I have the leagues set to promote/relegate one team per division. But it seems random which divisions the teams end up in. Is there any workaround besides manually doing it? Kind of a pain when trying to build League history.

On another promotion/relegation note, is there any way to relegate to multiple leagues? For example, League A has three divisions and one team from the East Division would get relegated to a regional Eastern League and a team from the Central gets relegated to a Central regional league and so on. I think the promotion could work by setting the individual leagues to promote to League A but the relegation would have to be manual. Again, kind of a pain when trying to build history fast.

First world problems, I know.

Lordofbrewtown · 11-01-2020, 02:48 PM

Would love to see an answer to this. I'm trying to set up promotion/relegation in the same way. I'd like to know if I need to choose manual instead of automatic to get the divisions to work.

Eugene Church · 11-01-2020, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordofbrewtown

Would love to see an answer to this. I'm trying to set up promotion/relegation in the same way. I'd like to know if I need to choose manual instead of automatic to get the divisions to work.

I only use one division in each of my four separate leagues, so I don't have any problems like lungs.

In a previous thread, I was told the promotion/relegation works fine in the auto mode.

But just to be safe I manually do it... has worked very well so far in my two seasons using it.

I did notice my league history wasn't correct until I advanced to the next season... then everything was accurate.

BBGiovanni · 11-02-2020, 11:51 AM

Like EC this is why I've gone with one league (and note that the Eurofootball leagues do it too for the same reason as well as easier scheduling).

That said, I always planned to re-align divisions manually if I went with divisions. I'm more finicky about geography in geographic divisions so it's worth the work for me, and at least you only have to do it once per year.

I don't know that this is a good solution, but during expansion periods some leagues like the NFL and NHL haven't done geographic divisions at various points. The 1969 NFL setup was a real mishmash of "Eastern" and "Western" conferences with non-geographic divisions, and they already had their weird Dallas/New Orleans in the East and Atlanta in the West setups. You could even rename the divisions each year depending on who you end up with in each. It's your game so as long as you're happy with it. Just think of all the years the Western Division Reds had to fly west to play the Eastern Division Cardinals!

cmaug · 11-02-2020, 12:04 PM

I think if you have the same divisions in each league and only promote/relegate 1 team it works ok (based on my experience).

If you add additional teams, that is where I've seen the crossover between divisions.

yuazda · 11-03-2020, 12:00 AM

The "Manual" Pro/Rel wizard actually has the destination division as a drop-down box. Super quick and easy, you don't have to go into League Structure or anything.

05-12-2020, 02:55 PM	#1
lungs Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 40	Promotion/Relegation by Division I’m trying to set up a fictional promotion/relegation system that promotes/relegates based on division. Problem is that the automatic promotion/relegation inevitably screws up the geographic division structure. Eastern teams get put in Central, etc... The league structure of the two leagues are the same (3 divisions, East,central, west) and I have the leagues set to promote/relegate one team per division. But it seems random which divisions the teams end up in. Is there any workaround besides manually doing it? Kind of a pain when trying to build League history. On another promotion/relegation note, is there any way to relegate to multiple leagues? For example, League A has three divisions and one team from the East Division would get relegated to a regional Eastern League and a team from the Central gets relegated to a Central regional league and so on. I think the promotion could work by setting the individual leagues to promote to League A but the relegation would have to be manual. Again, kind of a pain when trying to build history fast. First world problems, I know.

11-02-2020, 11:51 AM	#4
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,910	Like EC this is why I've gone with one league (and note that the Eurofootball leagues do it too for the same reason as well as easier scheduling). That said, I always planned to re-align divisions manually if I went with divisions. I'm more finicky about geography in geographic divisions so it's worth the work for me, and at least you only have to do it once per year. I don't know that this is a good solution, but during expansion periods some leagues like the NFL and NHL haven't done geographic divisions at various points. The 1969 NFL setup was a real mishmash of "Eastern" and "Western" conferences with non-geographic divisions, and they already had their weird Dallas/New Orleans in the East and Atlanta in the West setups. You could even rename the divisions each year depending on who you end up with in each. It's your game so as long as you're happy with it. Just think of all the years the Western Division Reds had to fly west to play the Eastern Division Cardinals! __________________ Let's Go (San Jose) Giants, Let's Go Mets! Current Project: WBAT/AABBA: Organized Base Ball And the "New Normal" World Baseball Aid Tournament 2023 trophy round underway!

11-01-2020, 02:48 PM	#2
Lordofbrewtown Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 301	Would love to see an answer to this. I'm trying to set up promotion/relegation in the same way. I'd like to know if I need to choose manual instead of automatic to get the divisions to work.

11-02-2020, 12:04 PM	#5
cmaug Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 344	I think if you have the same divisions in each league and only promote/relegate 1 team it works ok (based on my experience). If you add additional teams, that is where I've seen the crossover between divisions.

11-03-2020, 12:00 AM	#6
yuazda Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 54	The "Manual" Pro/Rel wizard actually has the destination division as a drop-down box. Super quick and easy, you don't have to go into League Structure or anything.