Does this happen in every game?

Meak06 · 04-29-2020, 08:47 AM

Hello,

Been playing my first full season now and there's a couple things I've noticed that seem to happen very often.

My batters will strike out with 2 strikes way more often than my opponents do.

Also, I'll walk probably 3/4 of batters I face with 3 balls, yet my player's won't get close to the amount of BB.

And finally, I've noticed the most frustrating part is that my opponent seems to score a damn good majority of their runs with 2 outs in the inning. Doesn't matter the situation on the bases, I've jokingly dubbed it the "Visa 2-out Rally" as it's so frequent, I feel we should sell advertising for it.

Just an FYI, my team is currently 69-60, so we're not great but certainly not a terrible team.

Am I having a one-off or is this a normality in OOTP? Still love the game, just notice these things and it's annoying lol

slugga27 · 04-29-2020, 08:52 AM

With all due respect, this sounds like confirmation bias.

Yes, there are times when it seems like the baseball gods are against you (I've had situations where I'm trying to get out of an inning, and then back-to-back errors happen and my world gets flipped upside-down). But on the other hand...things like that will happen to the AI, as well

Meak06 · 04-29-2020, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by slugga27

With all due respect, this sounds like confirmation bias.

Yes, there are times when it seems like the baseball gods are against you (I've had situations where I'm trying to get out of an inning, and then back-to-back errors happen and my world gets flipped upside-down). But on the other hand...things like that will happen to the AI, as well

It's not even the errors! They just seem to get hits with 2 outs lol. I've been trying to find a sortable stat of how my pitching/hitting is with 2 outs or 2 strikes but I don't quite think there's anything that deep.

slugga27 · 04-29-2020, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Meak06

It's not even the errors! They just seem to get hits with 2 outs lol. I've been trying to find a sortable stat of how my pitching/hitting is with 2 outs or 2 strikes but I don't quite think there's anything that deep.

Unfortunately, there's no easy way to look at this from a league-wide perspective. However, the data is there. If you go to a player's page, batting stats, then go to the "splits" dropdown, you can look at what they've done in any count you want.

smiller · 04-29-2020, 09:49 AM

I agree that there are too many runs scored by the opposition with two outs -- quite often with two outs and nobody on base.

thklein · 04-29-2020, 09:58 AM

I highly doubt there is anything in the game engine that makes computer controlled teams more likely to score runs with 2 outs.

TomVeal · 04-29-2020, 10:11 AM

Any runs scored against my team with two outs are too many! And I blame OOTP for them.

BirdWatcher · 04-29-2020, 10:17 AM

I've had this feeling in the past.
And then I've had to remind myself that it is human nature that we notice the instances where something unexpected happens to affect us negatively than the instances where it favors us. I have to remind myself that if I was managing against my team- the leading run scorers in the league- I was probably be cursing how often they score with two outs while my team can't seem to buy a run.

It's why such a large percentage of sports fans feel that the umpires/referees, etc. are biased against their team (paid off? instructed by the league?).

But if you are really convinced this is happening, this would be my recommendation. Keep a manual tally for a little while- how many times, for instance, did the opposition score with two outs in an inning? How many times did my team do so?
After the thousands of games I've played with OOTP I'm pretty confident that after about 10 games or so you'll find that this all starts to average out quite nicely.
It's just so darn infuriating watching your team give up two-out runs that it imprints more strongly in the memory.

RchW · 04-29-2020, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by smiller

I agree that there are too many runs scored by the opposition with two outs -- quite often with two outs and nobody on base.

Which can only be a home run by definition. Are there too many HR with 2 out and nobody on base? That's a separate problem than the OP.

Edit or a 4 base error. Exceedingly unlikely.

RchW · 04-29-2020, 10:33 AM

FYI in 2019 from BR

24.8% of runs scored with 0 out
38.0% with 1 out
37.2% with 2 out

Take 10 random box scores and check the game log for outs when runs scored. I'd consider 30-50 game logs would be a better sample size.

redranger · 04-29-2020, 10:40 AM

In my 7 year fictional league I am about 47 games into the current season.

My team is pretty decent....currently 28-19....and as a hitting team, not a patient one, but overall good eyes....typically last few seasons my teams batting has low K & BB overall.

My current stats for 2-outs

pitching -
AB R H 2B 3B HR BB RBI K AVG
568 51 129 38 2 12 78 44 142 .227

hitting -
640 52 169 29 6 16 94 45 97 .264

My current stats for runners in scoring position

pitching -
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG
374 58 108 26 4 11 152 46 72 .288

hitting -
544 57 160 31 2 17 206 49 93 .294

04-29-2020, 08:47 AM	#1
Meak06 Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 15	Does this happen in every game? Hello, Been playing my first full season now and there's a couple things I've noticed that seem to happen very often. My batters will strike out with 2 strikes way more often than my opponents do. Also, I'll walk probably 3/4 of batters I face with 3 balls, yet my player's won't get close to the amount of BB. And finally, I've noticed the most frustrating part is that my opponent seems to score a damn good majority of their runs with 2 outs in the inning. Doesn't matter the situation on the bases, I've jokingly dubbed it the "Visa 2-out Rally" as it's so frequent, I feel we should sell advertising for it. Just an FYI, my team is currently 69-60, so we're not great but certainly not a terrible team. Am I having a one-off or is this a normality in OOTP? Still love the game, just notice these things and it's annoying lol

04-29-2020, 10:17 AM	#8
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,263	I've had this feeling in the past. And then I've had to remind myself that it is human nature that we notice the instances where something unexpected happens to affect us negatively than the instances where it favors us. I have to remind myself that if I was managing against my team- the leading run scorers in the league- I was probably be cursing how often they score with two outs while my team can't seem to buy a run. It's why such a large percentage of sports fans feel that the umpires/referees, etc. are biased against their team (paid off? instructed by the league?). But if you are really convinced this is happening, this would be my recommendation. Keep a manual tally for a little while- how many times, for instance, did the opposition score with two outs in an inning? How many times did my team do so? After the thousands of games I've played with OOTP I'm pretty confident that after about 10 games or so you'll find that this all starts to average out quite nicely. It's just so darn infuriating watching your team give up two-out runs that it imprints more strongly in the memory. __________________ The Denver Brewers of the W.P. Kinsella League-- The fun starts here(1965-1971: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=289570 And continues here (1972-1976): https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=300500 On we go (1977- 1979): https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=314601 For ongoing and more random updates on the WPK:https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=325147, https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=330717

04-29-2020, 10:33 AM	#10
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	FYI in 2019 from BR 24.8% of runs scored with 0 out 38.0% with 1 out 37.2% with 2 out Take 10 random box scores and check the game log for outs when runs scored. I'd consider 30-50 game logs would be a better sample size. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 04-29-2020 at 10:56 AM.

04-29-2020, 08:52 AM	#2
slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,272	With all due respect, this sounds like confirmation bias. Yes, there are times when it seems like the baseball gods are against you (I've had situations where I'm trying to get out of an inning, and then back-to-back errors happen and my world gets flipped upside-down). But on the other hand...things like that will happen to the AI, as well

04-29-2020, 09:49 AM	#5
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 430	I agree that there are too many runs scored by the opposition with two outs -- quite often with two outs and nobody on base.

04-29-2020, 09:58 AM	#6
thklein Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 308	I highly doubt there is anything in the game engine that makes computer controlled teams more likely to score runs with 2 outs.

04-29-2020, 10:11 AM	#7
TomVeal All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Spanaway, Washington Posts: 1,257	Any runs scored against my team with two outs are too many! And I blame OOTP for them.

04-29-2020, 10:40 AM	#11
redranger All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Birmingham, Alabama Posts: 608	In my 7 year fictional league I am about 47 games into the current season. My team is pretty decent....currently 28-19....and as a hitting team, not a patient one, but overall good eyes....typically last few seasons my teams batting has low K & BB overall. My current stats for 2-outs pitching - AB R H 2B 3B HR BB RBI K AVG 568 51 129 38 2 12 78 44 142 .227 hitting - 640 52 169 29 6 16 94 45 97 .264 My current stats for runners in scoring position pitching - AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG 374 58 108 26 4 11 152 46 72 .288 hitting - 544 57 160 31 2 17 206 49 93 .294