Top draft picks always pitchers - Page 5

thklein · 04-25-2020, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

Hate to say it, but I don't think this is a priority at all at the moment. The silence on the matter from anyone higher up surprises me. How do you invest in a long term sim with a draft that is broken?

Lukas said they would look at it next week just a day or two ago. I think a little patience is in order. They solved the OSA scouting issue in OOTP20 pretty quickly after it was pointed out.

BrewCrew29 · 04-25-2020, 04:40 PM

I agree about patience; however, this thread pointed out a potential problem March 17th. None of the developers have commented since March 19th and the original response was about it being a potential feeder league problem. However, almost everyone posting is sharing they use out of the box settings, so the suggestion is irrelevant. When people are saying they aren't playing their game due to this glitch it is concerning. Hoping you are right about a fix sooner than later. By far my favorite game to play and would love to start playing soon.

slugga27 · 04-25-2020, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

I agree about patience; however, this thread pointed out a potential problem March 17th. None of the developers have commented since March 19th and the original response was about it being a potential feeder league problem. However, almost everyone posting is sharing they use out of the box settings, so the suggestion is irrelevant. When people are saying they aren't playing their game due to this glitch it is concerning. Hoping you are right about a fix sooner than later. By far my favorite game to play and would love to start playing soon.

It’s concerning, but for someone who joined YESTERDAY to just start criticizing the developers...that reeks of trolling.

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BrewCrew29 · 04-25-2020, 05:14 PM

I'm not sure how criticism is pointing out that this problem has been going on for over a month and we haven't heard from anyone in over a month. Yes, I did recently join the forum. I only created an account because this is my favorite game to play and was concerned that this potential bug makes any dynasty broken. I don't think that reeks of trolling at all. I normally stay out of things, but spoke up because it seems that this particular issue is being overlooked.

Mat · 04-25-2020, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by thklein

Most people seem to be reporting the opposite problem. The AI heavily favoring pitching, at least in the first round. In my most recent draft the first ten picks were all pitchers.

Yes that is true. But the AI will also select majority of hitters during the middle rounds and the draft runs out of hitters before the end of the draft.

A few screenshots have been shown of this above.

Mat · 04-25-2020, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CField17

I can't do it...I tried for a little while, but all the low minors are totally screwed up with the draft being screwed up. The yankees GCL affiliate has over 100 players and like 80 of them are pitchers.

I am not seeing teams keep excess players but this not does break the game anyway

SnakePit2001 · 04-25-2020, 07:37 PM

I don't think the excess players will break the game, but why would they keep 80 pitchers out of 100 players? I personally use service limits and don't have the same issue. Perhaps the game is overvaluing and hoarding pitchers in roster construction and the draft.

Vegas Vic · 04-25-2020, 07:45 PM

Just a thought, but could allowing two-way players be causing some or most of these draft and roster anomalies?

1991Twins · 04-25-2020, 08:06 PM

I was curious how OOTP XX drafts would compare to OOTP 21. This is a standard 30 team draft in XX (last patch, 20.8.74). In XX, 8 of the 30 1st round selections were SP. I then looked at the final rounds. Round 35 did not run out of pitchers. In fact, the final round had 12 of 30 players as pitchers. Although, FWIW, I didnt see any relievers in the final few rounds in XX (possibly players would be converted and had low stamina and were being listed as starters).

Something seems to have changed between XX and OOTP 21 in terms of either players being generated (by positions) or evaluation or potentially a combination of both.

thklein · 04-25-2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

I'm not sure how criticism is pointing out that this problem has been going on for over a month and we haven't heard from anyone in over a month. Yes, I did recently join the forum. I only created an account because this is my favorite game to play and was concerned that this potential bug makes any dynasty broken. I don't think that reeks of trolling at all. I normally stay out of things, but spoke up because it seems that this particular issue is being overlooked.

What are you talking about? Lukas commented on this thread yesterday, literally yesterday, to say they would look into it and try to figure out what is wrong.

ALB123 · 04-25-2020, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1991Twins

I was curious how OOTP XX drafts would compare to OOTP 21. This is a standard 30 team draft in XX (last patch, 20.8.74). In XX, 8 of the 30 1st round selections were SP. I then looked at the final rounds. Round 35 did not run out of pitchers. In fact, the final round had 12 of 30 players as pitchers. Although, FWIW, I didnt see any relievers in the final few rounds in XX (possibly players would be converted and had low stamina and were being listed as starters).

Something seems to have changed between XX and OOTP 21 in terms of either players being generated (by positions) or evaluation or potentially a combination of both.

The very first screenshot... Something can't be right with that draft considering how many Center Fielders are getting picked by teams in the 1st Round. If it is legit, that's a weird draft class.

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Originally Posted by thklein

What are you talking about? Lukas commented on this thread yesterday, literally yesterday, to say they would look into it and try to figure out what is wrong.

Seriously. How could someone miss that?

1991Twins · 04-25-2020, 11:19 PM

Keep in mind that the example was OOTP XX. It could be this is kind of like the OSA Accuracy issue that none of us noticed for a few years. Maybe something has been goofy with the draft and we just never paid close enough attention. Good catch on the CF issue ALB123!!!

BrewCrew29 · 04-25-2020, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thklein

What are you talking about? Lukas commented on this thread yesterday, literally yesterday, to say they would look into it and try to figure out what is wrong.

Look, I understand that I am new to the forum. Part of why I never joined in the 1st place is I have noticed on these boards that people are not receptive to new perspectives and opinions. I am not here to tear down this wonderful game. By far it is the best computer simulation game that I have ever played. It is awesome that Lukas commented and perhaps I misunderstood his role. From the boards, I thought there were only 2 developers Markus and Matt and that Lukas was kind of like a quality assurance person. My mistake if I misunderstood. Bottom line is, I think we all want the same thing. OOTP 21 to be the amazing, incredible game that we all look forward to playing. I think we can all agree that something is currently wrong with the draft and I look forward to it being fixed in the near future.

thklein · 04-25-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

Look, I understand that I am new to the forum. Part of why I never joined in the 1st place is I have noticed on these boards that people are not receptive to new perspectives and opinions. I am not here to tear down this wonderful game. By far it is the best computer simulation game that I have ever played. It is awesome that Lukas commented and perhaps I misunderstood his role. From the boards, I thought there were only 2 developers Markus and Matt and that Lukas was kind of like a quality assurance person. My mistake if I misunderstood. Bottom line is, I think we all want the same thing. OOTP 21 to be the amazing, incredible game that we all look forward to playing. I think we can all agree that something is currently wrong with the draft and I look forward to it being fixed in the near future.

I'm not sure what Lukas' exact role is, but I'm sure he talks to the others. It's not that big a company. If Lukas is commenting, I'm sure it's on the other's radars. They probably haven't said more because they don't know exactly what's going on yet.

jimmysthebestcop · 04-26-2020, 12:04 AM

Oh well doesn't matter I'll be playing the hell out of OOTP21 the next couple of days because Gears Tactics comes out on the 28th and I'll be shelving OOTP21 once that launches until game completion.

Jersey77 · 04-26-2020, 01:32 AM

I just went back to my last draft in my Braves dynasty and had a look. I checked the Detroit Tigers since they had the first pick in all 35 rounds. They drafted a SP in all 35 rounds.

Something is a tad askew. Perhaps even a wee bit cockeyed.

slugga27 · 04-26-2020, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

Look, I understand that I am new to the forum. Part of why I never joined in the 1st place is I have noticed on these boards that people are not receptive to new perspectives and opinions. I am not here to tear down this wonderful game. By far it is the best computer simulation game that I have ever played. It is awesome that Lukas commented and perhaps I misunderstood his role. From the boards, I thought there were only 2 developers Markus and Matt and that Lukas was kind of like a quality assurance person. My mistake if I misunderstood. Bottom line is, I think we all want the same thing. OOTP 21 to be the amazing, incredible game that we all look forward to playing. I think we can all agree that something is currently wrong with the draft and I look forward to it being fixed in the near future.

Credibility lost at “people are not receptive to new perspectives and opinions.” Dead wrong, sir. If anything, people have a problem with the new kid on the block showing up and trying to make waves. As has been pointed out, Lukas has said that they were going to look into it. So it sounds to me like you didn’t read the entire thread. And getting ahead of you potentially saying “I’m not going to read this entire thread,” that falls under the category of too bad.

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Lukas Berger · 04-26-2020, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

I agree about patience; however, this thread pointed out a potential problem March 17th. None of the developers have commented since March 19th and the original response was about it being a potential feeder league problem. However, almost everyone posting is sharing they use out of the box settings, so the suggestion is irrelevant. When people are saying they aren't playing their game due to this glitch it is concerning. Hoping you are right about a fix sooner than later. By far my favorite game to play and would love to start playing soon.

We've commented in a bunch of other threads about this. There are like 20 of them, can't comment in all

It's our main priority for this next week, to figure out what the heck is going on and to get this working right.

Lukas Berger · 04-26-2020, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew29

Look, I understand that I am new to the forum. Part of why I never joined in the 1st place is I have noticed on these boards that people are not receptive to new perspectives and opinions. I am not here to tear down this wonderful game. By far it is the best computer simulation game that I have ever played. It is awesome that Lukas commented and perhaps I misunderstood his role. From the boards, I thought there were only 2 developers Markus and Matt and that Lukas was kind of like a quality assurance person. My mistake if I misunderstood. Bottom line is, I think we all want the same thing. OOTP 21 to be the amazing, incredible game that we all look forward to playing. I think we can all agree that something is currently wrong with the draft and I look forward to it being fixed in the near future.

I'm not a dev (not exactly quality assurance either, almost impossible to describe my actual role since it includes a little of everything imaginable other than coding) but if I know about a problem, you can be sure the devs know about it

Matt Arnold · 04-26-2020, 07:56 AM

We've been watching the thread closely even if we don't comment to every point made. It's a little mystery trying to unpack this to figure out if it's a talent problem or an evaluation problem, but we'll certainly look to adjust things to get a more realistic balance.

04-25-2020, 08:06 PM	#89
1991Twins Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 494	I was curious how OOTP XX drafts would compare to OOTP 21. This is a standard 30 team draft in XX (last patch, 20.8.74). In XX, 8 of the 30 1st round selections were SP. I then looked at the final rounds. Round 35 did not run out of pitchers. In fact, the final round had 12 of 30 players as pitchers. Although, FWIW, I didnt see any relievers in the final few rounds in XX (possibly players would be converted and had low stamina and were being listed as starters). Something seems to have changed between XX and OOTP 21 in terms of either players being generated (by positions) or evaluation or potentially a combination of both. Attached Images Last edited by 1991Twins; 04-25-2020 at 08:08 PM.

04-25-2020, 04:40 PM	#82
BrewCrew29 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 25	I agree about patience; however, this thread pointed out a potential problem March 17th. None of the developers have commented since March 19th and the original response was about it being a potential feeder league problem. However, almost everyone posting is sharing they use out of the box settings, so the suggestion is irrelevant. When people are saying they aren't playing their game due to this glitch it is concerning. Hoping you are right about a fix sooner than later. By far my favorite game to play and would love to start playing soon.

04-25-2020, 05:14 PM	#84
BrewCrew29 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 25	I'm not sure how criticism is pointing out that this problem has been going on for over a month and we haven't heard from anyone in over a month. Yes, I did recently join the forum. I only created an account because this is my favorite game to play and was concerned that this potential bug makes any dynasty broken. I don't think that reeks of trolling at all. I normally stay out of things, but spoke up because it seems that this particular issue is being overlooked.

04-25-2020, 07:37 PM	#87
SnakePit2001 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 34	I don't think the excess players will break the game, but why would they keep 80 pitchers out of 100 players? I personally use service limits and don't have the same issue. Perhaps the game is overvaluing and hoarding pitchers in roster construction and the draft.

04-25-2020, 07:45 PM	#88
Vegas Vic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Palm Coast, FL Posts: 166	Just a thought, but could allowing two-way players be causing some or most of these draft and roster anomalies?

04-25-2020, 11:19 PM	#92
1991Twins Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 494	Keep in mind that the example was OOTP XX. It could be this is kind of like the OSA Accuracy issue that none of us noticed for a few years. Maybe something has been goofy with the draft and we just never paid close enough attention. Good catch on the CF issue ALB123!!!

04-26-2020, 12:04 AM	#95
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,728 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Oh well doesn't matter I'll be playing the hell out of OOTP21 the next couple of days because Gears Tactics comes out on the 28th and I'll be shelving OOTP21 once that launches until game completion.

04-26-2020, 01:32 AM	#96
Jersey77 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 21	I just went back to my last draft in my Braves dynasty and had a look. I checked the Detroit Tigers since they had the first pick in all 35 rounds. They drafted a SP in all 35 rounds. Something is a tad askew. Perhaps even a wee bit cockeyed.

04-26-2020, 07:56 AM	#100
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,797	We've been watching the thread closely even if we don't comment to every point made. It's a little mystery trying to unpack this to figure out if it's a talent problem or an evaluation problem, but we'll certainly look to adjust things to get a more realistic balance.