Do You Bring Top Prospects Up In September?

The Game · 04-22-2020, 08:50 AM

In the past I would not hesitate to fill my 40 with my top prospects, along with former MLers on the 40 up in September. Now i am not sure if I want to bring so many up. I have 4 top prospects but all will ride the pine for the last 20-25 games of the season. The clock starts on these players if i call them up, correct? I think i would rather have the extra year of control of 2-3 of them this season.

What are your thoughts?

Curve Ball Dave · 04-22-2020, 09:01 AM

If the team is in contention I call up the guys I think can help the team win regardless. If we're out of it I'll bring guys up to give them a look. I don't think about the service time clock. You never know what the circumstances will be 5-6 seasons down the road.

kev24fan · 04-22-2020, 09:03 AM

I leave top prospects off the 40 until I have to add because they are Rule 5 Draft eligible.

RchW · 04-22-2020, 11:31 AM

I move quickly to keep a pipeline of talent in my system. Like Curve Ball Dave service time is not important based on how development works in OOTP. Getting lower cost talent on the main roster allows me to both dump expensive baggage and to acquire and/or trade for better talent. It works in my small universe, but is much more difficult than the early versions of the game.

CBeisbol · 04-22-2020, 12:04 PM

Yes. I do.

Sometimes. It depends on the situation. It would be...unthinking to say either "yes, always" or "no, never"

There are plusses and minuses to consider

That's a good thing about games like this. They skills they use in the game might have applications outside the game. Lo.king at the good and bad of an action is a big one.

Aceshigh24 · 04-22-2020, 01:36 PM

How many of you call up your top prospect only to see him start slow or be terrible in the beginning months. Do you send him back down to get more work or do you keep him up and let him work through his issues?

jimmysthebestcop · 04-22-2020, 02:30 PM

No I want that extra year of team control. Prospects get called up like 3rd or 4th week April only. Aka the Cubs byrant maneuver

Curve Ball Dave · 04-22-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aceshigh24

How many of you call up your top prospect only to see him start slow or be terrible in the beginning months. Do you send him back down to get more work or do you keep him up and let him work through his issues?

If the expectation is for the team is to contend, I can't wait while a rookie or anyone else sorts out his issues. They can figure things out at AAA while a hopefully more productive player takes his place.

Mike D · 04-22-2020, 07:08 PM

I like to keep them down till i get that extra year of control since, as someone pointed out in another thread, "iTs A pRoFesSional BaSeBalL Sim"

andyhdz · 04-22-2020, 07:56 PM

Hmm lots of mistatements here. Calling them up in September doesn't waste a year of control. If you keep them up the rest of the season they'll have accumulated about a month of service time. That's it. At most you might get them on the super 2 track (maybe).

What you do have to be aware of is if they are on your 40 man roster or not. If they are already on 40 man than calling them up and even sending them down before the season is over is no big deal since they'll have already used an option that season. The trick is if they are not on the 40 man yet. If you call them up they immediately get on the 40 man roster and you need to keep them up the rest of the season. If you send then down before season is over they immediately use up on option year and your down to 2 more options. This is normally not a problem for star players as usually they are there to stay but you need to be careful with the borderline, 4A, and prospects that you think may need more seasoning after the season is over.

One last thing even if they don't play they develop faster riding the mlb bench than on the minor league team. I had a star SP in triple A that got called up in Sept and barely played relief. The following season he was golden to go as an SP and hasn't looked back and I got my full 6 seasons of team control.

jimmysthebestcop · 04-22-2020, 09:04 PM

Yeah I avoid putting them on my 40 man as well.

NoOne · 04-22-2020, 09:26 PM

there are times when i don't want more mlb svc days, but when that isn't the case i do like to give some experience to AAA and AA (if not too raw) prospects that i care about.

even before the drop to 28players, that's typically all i'd bring up, if at all. i'd break that rule occasionally if i had a 'depth' RP that was good enough to merit eating up useless innings, etc. whatever makes sense given the context, but MLB time is good development time, in general.. regardless of their results.

from the manual results are a small part, but if they tank it doesn't mean their ratings take a dive. even when they play poorly at that age you can expect development in the MLB -- assuming it's not an old prospect.

i really think this helps them be successful their first year... possibly something akin to a rust rating that's not visible, but 'wears off' as they play a certain # of MLB games or enough service days etc... may even build back up if sent back down, who knows.. rather work through some bumps in a manageable way that doesn't impact the 25-man roster.

you can always pull them for a vet later in tight games... avoids some of the risk... or, put them in when games are in hand or impossible to win.. they'll get plenty of work in ways that avoids nearly all downside to your W/L column.

Brad K · 04-23-2020, 04:03 PM

I play with Sept roster expansion disabled.

The Game · 04-23-2020, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceshigh24

How many of you call up your top prospect only to see him start slow or be terrible in the beginning months. Do you send him back down to get more work or do you keep him up and let him work through his issues?

i called my top prospect up and he had 30 HR 100 rBI in 327 AB.My 2nd prospect, a 2b hit great vs RHP but terrible vs LHP. I put him back down because my AAA team won their division and i want to see them win the AAA championship and both my other 2b were good vs both LHP & RHP with no power.

The Game · 04-23-2020, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad K

I play with Sept roster expansion disabled.

Out of the 3 main ML I have one set to full 40 EBL
MLB is 28? whatever the rules are now and the other is 30.

The Game · 04-23-2020, 07:38 PM

My team is, for now in 1st place by 2.5 games. Might be 1/2 game after 2 more games. I called up a RP and a 2b earlier in the season and put them back at AAA. They along with a RF & 1b who were on the ML roster last season are coming up but i wanted to get my young SS & C prospect some AB's along with 2 SP. Normally i dont care about service time. I want these guys to get some AB'S/IP because it seems they do better vs being rookies after that.

Hrycaj · 04-23-2020, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyhdz

One last thing even if they don't play they develop faster riding the mlb bench than on the minor league team. I had a star SP in triple A that got called up in Sept and barely played relief. The following season he was golden to go as an SP and hasn't looked back and I got my full 6 seasons of team control.

Is this true? I didn’t know that players develop faster on the mlb bench than they would in the minors. This is the table I have always referred to. Is there something in the manual that says differently?

http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...er_development

jpeters1734 · 04-23-2020, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyhdz

Hmm lots of mistatements here. Calling them up in September doesn't waste a year of control. If you keep them up the rest of the season they'll have accumulated about a month of service time. That's it. At most you might get them on the super 2 track (maybe).

What you do have to be aware of is if they are on your 40 man roster or not. If they are already on 40 man than calling them up and even sending them down before the season is over is no big deal since they'll have already used an option that season. The trick is if they are not on the 40 man yet. If you call them up they immediately get on the 40 man roster and you need to keep them up the rest of the season. If you send then down before season is over they immediately use up on option year and your down to 2 more options. This is normally not a problem for star players as usually they are there to stay but you need to be careful with the borderline, 4A, and prospects that you think may need more seasoning after the season is over.

One last thing even if they don't play they develop faster riding the mlb bench than on the minor league team. I had a star SP in triple A that got called up in Sept and barely played relief. The following season he was golden to go as an SP and hasn't looked back and I got my full 6 seasons of team control.

They are referring to the "7th year". If you hold a player back and promote him a couple weeks after the start of the season, you will prevent a player from getting 172 service days, thus getting basically 7 years before FA.

jpeters1734 · 04-23-2020, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hrycaj

Is this true? I didn’t know that players develop faster on the mlb bench than they would in the minors. This is the table I have always referred to. Is there something in the manual that says differently?

http://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com/...er_development

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyhdz

One last thing even if they don't play they develop faster riding the mlb bench than on the minor league team. I had a star SP in triple A that got called up in Sept and barely played relief. The following season he was golden to go as an SP and hasn't looked back and I got my full 6 seasons of team control.

That isn't true according to official OOTP documentation. Players develop on the MLB bench, but not faster than if they were starting in AAA. However, a player will develop faster on the MLB bench than the AAA bench

jpeters1734 · 04-23-2020, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

In the past I would not hesitate to fill my 40 with my top prospects, along with former MLers on the 40 up in September. Now i am not sure if I want to bring so many up. I have 4 top prospects but all will ride the pine for the last 20-25 games of the season. The clock starts on these players if i call them up, correct? I think i would rather have the extra year of control of 2-3 of them this season.

What are your thoughts?

It really depends. If I'm pushing for the playoffs, it's all hands on deck. I could give two you-know-whats about service time 6 years down the road.

Players on the 40-man that already have service time are always called up, unless their minor league team still has games.

If the player isn't really a top prospect, and their MiL season is over, I will call them up as getting an extra year of control is not really a big deal.

If it is a top prospect, their season is over, and my ML team is playing meaningless games, I probably would hold them down. However, top prospects usually force their way to the majors much earlier than September anyway.

04-22-2020, 08:50 AM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	Do You Bring Top Prospects Up In September? In the past I would not hesitate to fill my 40 with my top prospects, along with former MLers on the 40 up in September. Now i am not sure if I want to bring so many up. I have 4 top prospects but all will ride the pine for the last 20-25 games of the season. The clock starts on these players if i call them up, correct? I think i would rather have the extra year of control of 2-3 of them this season. What are your thoughts? __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

04-22-2020, 09:01 AM	#2
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,393	If the team is in contention I call up the guys I think can help the team win regardless. If we're out of it I'll bring guys up to give them a look. I don't think about the service time clock. You never know what the circumstances will be 5-6 seasons down the road. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

04-22-2020, 11:31 AM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I move quickly to keep a pipeline of talent in my system. Like Curve Ball Dave service time is not important based on how development works in OOTP. Getting lower cost talent on the main roster allows me to both dump expensive baggage and to acquire and/or trade for better talent. It works in my small universe, but is much more difficult than the early versions of the game. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-22-2020, 07:08 PM	#9
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	I like to keep them down till i get that extra year of control since, as someone pointed out in another thread, "iTs A pRoFesSional BaSeBalL Sim" __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

04-22-2020, 07:56 PM	#10
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	Hmm lots of mistatements here. Calling them up in September doesn't waste a year of control. If you keep them up the rest of the season they'll have accumulated about a month of service time. That's it. At most you might get them on the super 2 track (maybe). What you do have to be aware of is if they are on your 40 man roster or not. If they are already on 40 man than calling them up and even sending them down before the season is over is no big deal since they'll have already used an option that season. The trick is if they are not on the 40 man yet. If you call them up they immediately get on the 40 man roster and you need to keep them up the rest of the season. If you send then down before season is over they immediately use up on option year and your down to 2 more options. This is normally not a problem for star players as usually they are there to stay but you need to be careful with the borderline, 4A, and prospects that you think may need more seasoning after the season is over. One last thing even if they don't play they develop faster riding the mlb bench than on the minor league team. I had a star SP in triple A that got called up in Sept and barely played relief. The following season he was golden to go as an SP and hasn't looked back and I got my full 6 seasons of team control. Last edited by andyhdz; 04-22-2020 at 08:06 PM.

04-22-2020, 09:03 AM	#3
kev24fan Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 495	I leave top prospects off the 40 until I have to add because they are Rule 5 Draft eligible.

04-22-2020, 12:04 PM	#5
CBeisbol Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Ban land in 3...2... Posts: 2,943	Yes. I do. Sometimes. It depends on the situation. It would be...unthinking to say either "yes, always" or "no, never" There are plusses and minuses to consider That's a good thing about games like this. They skills they use in the game might have applications outside the game. Lo.king at the good and bad of an action is a big one.

04-22-2020, 01:36 PM	#6
Aceshigh24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 645	How many of you call up your top prospect only to see him start slow or be terrible in the beginning months. Do you send him back down to get more work or do you keep him up and let him work through his issues?

04-22-2020, 02:30 PM	#7
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	No I want that extra year of team control. Prospects get called up like 3rd or 4th week April only. Aka the Cubs byrant maneuver

04-22-2020, 09:04 PM	#11
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Yeah I avoid putting them on my 40 man as well.

04-22-2020, 09:26 PM	#12
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	there are times when i don't want more mlb svc days, but when that isn't the case i do like to give some experience to AAA and AA (if not too raw) prospects that i care about. even before the drop to 28players, that's typically all i'd bring up, if at all. i'd break that rule occasionally if i had a 'depth' RP that was good enough to merit eating up useless innings, etc. whatever makes sense given the context, but MLB time is good development time, in general.. regardless of their results. from the manual results are a small part, but if they tank it doesn't mean their ratings take a dive. even when they play poorly at that age you can expect development in the MLB -- assuming it's not an old prospect. i really think this helps them be successful their first year... possibly something akin to a rust rating that's not visible, but 'wears off' as they play a certain # of MLB games or enough service days etc... may even build back up if sent back down, who knows.. rather work through some bumps in a manageable way that doesn't impact the 25-man roster. you can always pull them for a vet later in tight games... avoids some of the risk... or, put them in when games are in hand or impossible to win.. they'll get plenty of work in ways that avoids nearly all downside to your W/L column. Last edited by NoOne; 04-22-2020 at 09:28 PM.

04-23-2020, 04:03 PM	#13
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I play with Sept roster expansion disabled.

04-23-2020, 07:38 PM	#16
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	My team is, for now in 1st place by 2.5 games. Might be 1/2 game after 2 more games. I called up a RP and a 2b earlier in the season and put them back at AAA. They along with a RF & 1b who were on the ML roster last season are coming up but i wanted to get my young SS & C prospect some AB's along with 2 SP. Normally i dont care about service time. I want these guys to get some AB'S/IP because it seems they do better vs being rookies after that. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"