Loving the Feeder Leagues Updates

[native son]

I think I may have just gotten everything that I wanted with feeder leagues. The addition of HS/College draft year logic to determine draft eligibility was absolutely tremendous and seems to work perfectly! This means no more manipulating the draft date to ensure properly created birthday ranges and ages by draft day … It was a whole thing. This is great.

Another fantastic addition for me is the ability to remove the feeder league’s affiliation to a parent league, yet still feed that same league. This means I get the full range of player modifiers to work with (not just sabermetric) and other functions of a fully independent league – Yet feeder players are still created to backfill drafted players. It’s really outstanding for my way of playing.

The only downside is I’m SO content that I’m not sure if I’ll need to buy another version – But having purchased every version since 2003, I realize that old habits are tough to break.

[andyhdz]

Hmm so thinking about this some more you can have it setup so you can have a feeder college league only and have them supplemented by created high school players for the draft since there is a new option to dictate the types of players that are created right?

[native son]

Not quite sure about that. I'm pretty sure that the type of players created for these purposes is determined by whether or not you listed the league level as college, or high school.

I know we can now specify what percentage of drafted players should come from each level, but I can't confirm that if you have a college feeder league, yet specify that a percentage of high school players should be drafted, that the league will automatically create that percentage of high school players for you while also drafting from the college feeders.

Hope I'm understanding you correctly. And if I am - then my answer is still (shrug) dunno. So not much help, I'm afraid.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by native son

Not quite sure about that. I'm pretty sure that the type of players created for these purposes is determined by whether or not you listed the league level as college, or high school.

I know we can now specify what percentage of drafted players should come from each level, but I can't confirm that if you have a college feeder league, yet specify that a percentage of high school players should be drafted, that the league will automatically create that percentage of high school players for you while also drafting from the college feeders.

Hope I'm understanding you correctly. And if I am - then my answer is still (shrug) dunno. So not much help, I'm afraid.

Try it out!

I *think* you should be able to specify 100% (or 95% or something) to come from HS, in which case virtually every game-created player should come from HS. But if the draft mode is feeders plus added players, you should be able to draft from the feeders as well. And any undrafted HS players I believe should go to the feeder teams.

There's a chance that some part of that setup might not work 100%, but thinking it through, I believe that should be possible.

[bearcatbbal22]

Originally Posted by native son

I think I may have just gotten everything that I wanted with feeder leagues. The addition of HS/College draft year logic to determine draft eligibility was absolutely tremendous and seems to work perfectly! This means no more manipulating the draft date to ensure properly created birthday ranges and ages by draft day … It was a whole thing. This is great.

Another fantastic addition for me is the ability to remove the feeder league’s affiliation to a parent league, yet still feed that same league. This means I get the full range of player modifiers to work with (not just sabermetric) and other functions of a fully independent league – Yet feeder players are still created to backfill drafted players. It’s really outstanding for my way of playing.

The only downside is I’m SO content that I’m not sure if I’ll need to buy another version – But having purchased every version since 2003, I realize that old habits are tough to break.

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Try it out!

I *think* you should be able to specify 100% (or 95% or something) to come from HS, in which case virtually every game-created player should come from HS. But if the draft mode is feeders plus added players, you should be able to draft from the feeders as well. And any undrafted HS players I believe should go to the feeder teams.

There's a chance that some part of that setup might not work 100%, but thinking it through, I believe that should be possible.

What ages should I make my HS and College players for this to work best?

I made HS players 14-17 and College 18-21 but the 17yr old HS seniors who went undrafted became FAs rather than entering the college pool. Changing college players to 17-21 would fix this but newly created college players would be 17 instead of 18 and therefore would be drafted at ages 19 and 20 instead of 20 and 21. Having a setting where minimum age in college is 17 but players entering the league at 18 would fix this, I think?

Right now I have HS players at 15-18 and college players at 18-21. So there are some players in HS getting drafted at 19, and those unsigned will can enter the draft again as a college senior as old as 23. But all of the undrafted or unsigned HS players make their way to a college roster.

Anyway, again, thanks, I'm looking forward to playing around with this!

[bearcatbbal22]

Originally Posted by bearcatbbal22

What ages should I make my HS and College players for this to work best?

I made HS players 14-17 and College 18-21 but the 17yr old HS seniors who went undrafted became FAs rather than entering the college pool. Changing college players to 17-21 would fix this but newly created college players would be 17 instead of 18 and therefore would be drafted at ages 19 and 20 instead of 20 and 21. Having a setting where minimum age in college is 17 but players entering the league at 18 would fix this, I think?

Right now I have HS players at 15-18 and college players at 18-21. So there are some players in HS getting drafted at 19, and those unsigned will can enter the draft again as a college senior as old as 23. But all of the undrafted or unsigned HS players make their way to a college roster.

Anyway, again, thanks, I'm looking forward to playing around with this!

The workaround I found is to make HS players 14-17 and College players 18-21. After the draft, change college age minimum to 17 so unsigned 17 yr old HS players join college teams. Then, in beginning of Jan., change College age minimum to 18 so newly created college players are 18. After players are created, change age minimum to 17 and repeat.

[Matt Arnold]

FYI we will/should "cheat" with college player min ages, so that if a player enters college from HS, even if they're technically below the age limit, they should still be eligible to play.

[itsmb8]

Suggestion to the dev team. Adding in an option to set age limits as of a specific day in the year instead of just a standard age limit.

[bearcatbbal22]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

FYI we will/should "cheat" with college player min ages, so that if a player enters college from HS, even if they're technically below the age limit, they should still be eligible to play.

Hah, yes. I think the issue I'm having is that some of the undrafted/unsigned HS players at 17 wont join a college team and instead become free agents unless the minimum age for college players is 17 too

[Bristolduke]

When I was testing this, I found a couple of conditions that worked.

1) don't change the default limits. I know it looks like players will spend 3 years in JuCo and 5 in College, but they wont. The system is running off the HS/CO field. The initial range will cause an anomaly in year 1. (The 14 year old HS Freshman, the 17 yr old HS senior, and 18 Yr old college freshmen.), but they sort themselves out. For example, the 14 year old will turn 15 during the season. There is an issue with HS FA, but that was associated with the handling of the draft day assignment. Without getting into real details what you should be seeing is the HS player go to college and then get released (roster size issue at the college level. So do not set up with feeder leagues and Additional players, and make sure your feeder does not have too many extra players.

2) The second method worked early in the testing but I haven't gone back and verified it on the final beta release. Go in and set the roster limit ages to 0 for all feeder leagues. The system will actually take care of itself.

Also, If you see where colleges are signing older FA, it is because the college roster size dropped below 8 and triggered AI logic to fill out the team. This didn't occur when I did option 2. It was still an open issue using option 1, but only have many seasons. Setting Roster size in the feeder helps but does not eliminate the issue.

[bearcatbbal22]

Originally Posted by Bristolduke

When I was testing this, I found a couple of conditions that worked.

1) don't change the default limits. I know it looks like players will spend 3 years in JuCo and 5 in College, but they wont. The system is running off the HS/CO field. The initial range will cause an anomaly in year 1. (The 14 year old HS Freshman, the 17 yr old HS senior, and 18 Yr old college freshmen.), but they sort themselves out. For example, the 14 year old will turn 15 during the season. There is an issue with HS FA, but that was associated with the handling of the draft day assignment. Without getting into real details what you should be seeing is the HS player go to college and then get released (roster size issue at the college level. So do not set up with feeder leagues and Additional players, and make sure your feeder does not have too many extra players.

2) The second method worked early in the testing but I haven't gone back and verified it on the final beta release. Go in and set the roster limit ages to 0 for all feeder leagues. The system will actually take care of itself.

Also, If you see where colleges are signing older FA, it is because the college roster size dropped below 8 and triggered AI logic to fill out the team. This didn't occur when I did option 2. It was still an open issue using option 1, but only have many seasons. Setting Roster size in the feeder helps but does not eliminate the issue.

Setting all age limits to 0 worked, like you said, the system is running as it should. I found that setting no minimum age for college players allows you to set created players at age 18 which works too. thanks

[jack805td]

Great job on the feeder changes

[thakfu]

Is there any change to the functionality of feeders within a historical or historical/fictional game? Like what I mean is can we now import historical database players into a feeder league and have them be drafted from it?

[endgame]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Try it out!

I *think* you should be able to specify 100% (or 95% or something) to come from HS, in which case virtually every game-created player should come from HS. But if the draft mode is feeders plus added players, you should be able to draft from the feeders as well. And any undrafted HS players I believe should go to the feeder teams.

There's a chance that some part of that setup might not work 100%, but thinking it through, I believe that should be possible.

If the combined total does not equal 100%, will the game "do the math?"

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by endgame

If the combined total does not equal 100%, will the game "do the math?"

I think the answer is yes. Here is how mine looks in league setup on the Rules Tab. I'm getting 40% HS, 20% JUCO, so the rest (60%) must be coming from Col.

These are the defaults BTW, both when creating my feeders (size, amount of teams, etc) and for the draft rules. As you can see, my feeders will generate enough players, so no extras will be needed.

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[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I think the answer is yes. Here is how mine looks in league setup on the Rules Tab. I'm getting 40% HS, 20% JUCO, so the rest (60%) must be coming from Col.

These are the defaults BTW, both when creating my feeders (size, amount of teams, etc) and for the draft rules. As you can see, my feeders will generate enough players, so no extras will be needed.

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So if you hover over the juco field its says its the % of all college kids so in your example for every 100 kids 40 are high school 60 are college and 20% of the 60 (12) will be juco.

[LooneyOne]

I read this thread and im still confused as to how to properly use the feeder leagues with the new system .. can someone please explain in layman's terms lol ..

[itsmb8]

If you were to take the averages of the last 3-5 years though, I think HS should be at 30% and JUCO at 20%. But im just being technical.

[Walsh06]

I asked in a different thread before release but hopefully someone can answer my question now that the game is out. If you dont use feeders but specify your draft to be 100% HS players, is it possible to have the undrafted players become free agents rather than go to college in the background for 4 years.

[bearcatbbal22]

I'm still having issues with JUCO - when JUCO players don't sign with an MLB club or go undrafted and then move on to college, their college status gets reset to freshman instead of junior. The impact of this is under the "according to HS/college year" draft setting, these players will spend at least 3 more years in college before getting drafted.