SD logo a swastika? Gimme a break!

ForeverRoyalKC · 02-12-2020, 04:49 PM

Ok, we know we try to avoid politics here, but this is beyond stupid! Time for people to retrain their one track mind and remember "It kinda looks like a swastika....but it ISN'T!"
So underwear gets all bunched because of something that LOOKS like yada, yada, yada.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/pad...ika-design-mlb

Rizon · 02-12-2020, 04:51 PM

Swastika or not, that is one ugly damn logo.

Ragnar · 02-12-2020, 04:56 PM

I too think the focus should have been on how ugly it was rather than any imaginary symbol it might or might not resemble.

ukhotstove · 02-12-2020, 05:05 PM

Never noticed it still kind of dont, think I'm in a minority anyway that being I dont like the Padres brown uniforms, to be honest never have.

Buster Cherry · 02-12-2020, 05:16 PM

The Padres lost me when they switched to blue uniforms years ago. Haven't cared for them since.

rudel.dietrich · 02-12-2020, 05:37 PM

I have to admit. I was prepared to click on that link and not see it. But damn, it caught me almost instantly from that angle. With the yellow it does stand out pretty well.

PocketsAintFull · 02-12-2020, 05:38 PM

Once it's been pointed out, it's easy to see. I'd like to think no-one thinks the Padres were doing it on purpose

Westheim · 02-12-2020, 06:17 PM

Did the world run out of actual **** that needs to be fixed? They have had that logo for how many decades? Superimposing the SD on the friar is terrible design anyway; the caps should be burned for that reason already...

ThatSeventiesGuy · 02-12-2020, 06:20 PM

A bit of "once you see it...", eh? This is more a case of typical Padre planning than actual seig-heiling, methinks. Brings a new meaning to brownshirts, though, I suppose!

Cobra Mgr · 02-12-2020, 09:18 PM

It may not have meant to look like a swastika, but SD is probably taking a long range view of the situation. Once it got out that one could see a nazi symbol in the logo, you could potentially see fascist groups adopting the hat for themselves. They have done such things in the past. Padres are probably just being pro active. Better safe than sorry.

Déjà Bru · 02-12-2020, 09:28 PM

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I have to admit. I was prepared to click on that link and not see it. But damn, it caught me almost instantly from that angle. With the yellow it does stand out pretty well.

When I first looked, I was ready to dump on rampant political correctness because I thought you guys were talking about the interlocking "SD" logo. But then I saw it. The complainers are absolutely right.

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A couple of "how" questions come to mind:

1) First of all, how does anybody get paid for designing an ugly, ugly logo like that?
2) Secondly, how is a person so obtuse as to not pick up on the resulting swastika when parts of the "SD" are superimposed with portions of the swinging friar?

A third question: Was it deliberate?

swoboda · 02-12-2020, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It may not have meant to look like a swastika, but SD is probably taking a long range view of the situation. Once it got out that one could see a nazi symbol in the logo, you could potentially see fascist groups adopting the hat for themselves. They have done such things in the past. Padres are probably just being pro active. Better safe than sorry.

Yup, I agree.
The chances of this happening unfortunately are 100 %

low · 02-13-2020, 09:11 AM

Why those two logos were combined in the first place is the real problem. Who looked at it and said "yeah, do it!"?

ForeverRoyalKC · 02-13-2020, 05:02 PM

I dont agree at all, Cobra. If that's your thinking, referring to fascist groups adopting the hat for their own, then you have to get rid of all the MLB and NFL teams who were adopted by gangs. Raiders, A's, Yankees, etc.

Cobra Mgr · 02-13-2020, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I dont agree at all, Cobra. If that's your thinking, referring to fascist groups adopting the hat for their own, then you have to get rid of all the MLB and NFL teams who were adopted by gangs. Raiders, A's, Yankees, etc.

Those weren't usurped by gangs for symbols. They were usurped for colors. Not to mention this particular SD logo wasn't meant for the long haul in the 1st place. If my understanding is correct, these are ST hats that are going to be replaced next season anyway.

So let's weigh the pluses and minuses here. Keep an ugly, temporary logo that no one seems to like except potentially nazis just for the principle of the thing or,......... go ahead and x it out now since it will potentially be an embarrassment for the franchise down the road.

I get where you are coming from because we have a world where people are just jumping to find something trivial to get offended over. But some battles aren't worth it. In the end, some losses are victories and some wins are defeats.

ForeverRoyalKC · 02-13-2020, 05:58 PM

Yeah, I understand, Cobra. I totally get your point. I pose no argument. I guess we can agree to disagree 'cause I just ask where does it all end? I kinda look at it like this...there are SO many foods that aren't good for you because of one ingredient or another. But honestly, you could probably go to a huge grocery store and find something wrong with just about every single item in the store. Then what? You quit eating?

Cobra Mgr · 02-13-2020, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

Yeah, I understand, Cobra. I totally get your point. I pose no argument. I guess we can agree to disagree 'cause I just ask where does it all end? I kinda look at it like this...there are SO many foods that aren't good for you because of one ingredient or another. But honestly, you could probably go to a huge grocery store and find something wrong with just about every single item in the store. Then what? You quit eating?

I forget the exact circumstance, but I believe a Supreme Court justice once said in a decision "I may not be able to define what is obscene, but I know it when I see it." Common sense in no longer common and rarely in use. If people used more of it, stopped catering to the extremists on both sides, and quit making mountains out of mole hills, more situations could be dealt with reason instead of outrage.

RchW · 02-13-2020, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I forget the exact circumstance, but I believe a Supreme Court justice once said in a decision "I may not be able to define what is obscene, but I know it when I see it." Common sense in no longer common and rarely in use. If people used more of it, stopped catering to the extremists on both sides, and quit making mountains out of mole hills, more situations could be dealt with reason instead of outrage.

From Jacobellis v Ohio, Justice Potter Stewart.

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The most famous opinion from Jacobellis, however, was Justice Potter Stewart's concurrence, stating that the Constitution protected all obscenity except "hard-core pornography". He wrote, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."[9]

GeoWar · 02-14-2020, 12:14 PM

Really - this is an issue . What has it been 75 years ?

San Diego needs to remove the "Padre" from the logo -- change the location -- or not worry about others want to see in the logo .

FancySkunk · 02-17-2020, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoWar

Really - this is an issue . What has it been 75 years ?

This is a new fusion logo that just debuted for this spring training. No one's taking issue with any of their main logos.

02-12-2020, 04:49 PM	#1
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,152 Blog Entries: 3	SD logo a swastika? Gimme a break! Ok, we know we try to avoid politics here, but this is beyond stupid! Time for people to retrain their one track mind and remember "It kinda looks like a swastika....but it ISN'T!" So underwear gets all bunched because of something that LOOKS like yada, yada, yada. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/02/pad...ika-design-mlb

02-12-2020, 04:51 PM	#2
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,369	Swastika or not, that is one ugly damn logo. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

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ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Never noticed it still kind of dont, think I'm in a minority anyway that being I dont like the Padres brown uniforms, to be honest never have. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

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PocketsAintFull All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,865	Once it's been pointed out, it's easy to see. I'd like to think no-one thinks the Padres were doing it on purpose __________________ ---------------- Bob Uecker, RIP

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Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 12,824	Did the world run out of actual **** that needs to be fixed? They have had that logo for how many decades? Superimposing the SD on the friar is terrible design anyway; the caps should be burned for that reason already... __________________ Portland Raccoons, 88 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

02-12-2020, 04:56 PM	#3
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,264	I too think the focus should have been on how ugly it was rather than any imaginary symbol it might or might not resemble.

02-12-2020, 05:16 PM	#5
Buster Cherry Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2019 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 297	The Padres lost me when they switched to blue uniforms years ago. Haven't cared for them since.

02-12-2020, 05:37 PM	#6
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I have to admit. I was prepared to click on that link and not see it. But damn, it caught me almost instantly from that angle. With the yellow it does stand out pretty well.

02-12-2020, 06:20 PM	#9
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,424	A bit of "once you see it...", eh? This is more a case of typical Padre planning than actual seig-heiling, methinks. Brings a new meaning to brownshirts, though, I suppose! __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

02-12-2020, 09:18 PM	#10
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 7,488	It may not have meant to look like a swastika, but SD is probably taking a long range view of the situation. Once it got out that one could see a nazi symbol in the logo, you could potentially see fascist groups adopting the hat for themselves. They have done such things in the past. Padres are probably just being pro active. Better safe than sorry. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

02-13-2020, 09:11 AM	#13
low Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 5,884	Why those two logos were combined in the first place is the real problem. Who looked at it and said "yeah, do it!"? __________________ My fictional team logos and uniforms

02-13-2020, 05:02 PM	#14
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,152 Blog Entries: 3	I dont agree at all, Cobra. If that's your thinking, referring to fascist groups adopting the hat for their own, then you have to get rid of all the MLB and NFL teams who were adopted by gangs. Raiders, A's, Yankees, etc.

02-13-2020, 05:58 PM	#16
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,152 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, I understand, Cobra. I totally get your point. I pose no argument. I guess we can agree to disagree 'cause I just ask where does it all end? I kinda look at it like this...there are SO many foods that aren't good for you because of one ingredient or another. But honestly, you could probably go to a huge grocery store and find something wrong with just about every single item in the store. Then what? You quit eating?

02-14-2020, 12:14 PM	#19
GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 847	Really - this is an issue . What has it been 75 years ? San Diego needs to remove the "Padre" from the logo -- change the location -- or not worry about others want to see in the logo . __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !