Something about team logos I hadn't noticed before...

Le Grande Orange · 10-09-2003, 02:11 AM

After watching many of the Division Series games, I noticed something about the baseball team logos I hadn't realized before (probably because prior to making logos myself I didn't pay that much attention to them).

Even leaving aside the fact that teams now often change their logos every couple of years, teams still often have several variations of their logo being used at once.

For example, the Minnesota Twins on their ballcaps had a "T C" on the front, something which is not part of their full logo. The Oakland A's had a shoulder patch logo on their uniforms which had an elephant balancing on a baseball while holding a baseball bat in its trunk, again, something which is not at all part of their regular logo.

The Florida Marlins on the front of their uniforms have "Marlins" written in a style which is not used in their full logo, while on their caps and on shoulder patches they have the drawing of the marlin with an "F" over it, which is a variation of their full logo. The Chicago Cubs have their normal logo on the left front side of their uniforms, but also have a shoulder patch logo which has a red "C" with a blue bear cub inside it, and their caps just have a red "C" with white outline on them.

All of this is to point out that, really, there could be up to 4 separate logos being used by a team at the same time.

There is the full logo as you'd see it in their team publications or web sites; there's the logo as seen on the front of the ballcap; then there's the version seen on the front of the uniform, and finally there's the version which might be used on a shoulder patch. The latter three logos situations can be either variations of the full logo or completely different designs.

Anyway, I just found it interesting. It kind of makes me want to work up blank Photoshop templates of a uniform front, ballcap front, and shoulder patch area so that anyone interested in doing a complete logo treatment for a team could do so...

Cuss16 · 10-09-2003, 02:17 AM

yup, that's why under my showcase section on my site i always have a few variations of the same logo.

eriqjaffe · 10-09-2003, 09:14 AM

Really, it's like that for most sports. Just about every team has at least a primary logo and a secondary. Often, they'll have a third or fourth logo, which is a variation on the primary or secondary.

And then we can get into wordmarks...

Oh, the merchandising!

--Eriq.

Eugene Church · 10-09-2003, 12:03 PM

Le Grande Orange:

That would be the ultimate graphics for me...to have caps, jerseys and home and away uniforms.

If you do it, sign me up. Unfortunately, you'll have to help me install them...computer-challenged and graphics-ignorance, you know.

Someone has a website with a league in a mythical island kingdom. It has all of the above. It is very interesting.

Sorry, don't remember the name.

Deft has a great website, too.

Le Grange Orange, as the OOTPB Resident Scheduler Par Excellence, I need your help with a 154 game schedule...4 eight team divisions...no interdivisional play during the season...only the playoffs.

I will manually enter the schedule.

Do you know an easy way to design a schedule with off days and all teams not being off on the same dates?

Is there a formula...or is it just trial and error?

It takes me about 30 hours to get a schedule somewhat perfect.

I just want 11 home/away games and some realism as far as home stays and road trips...but the latter is not truly important.

Any help you can give me would be appreciated.

DreamTeams · 10-09-2003, 12:53 PM

I've noticed that too, Le Grand Orange. It's something unique to baseball. The same colors are used between a team's logos, but the lettering and design can be totally different. Even, if you look through old baseball logos you'll find the same quirkiness between primary and secondary logos. However, in other sports you'll see secondary logos, but they usually are very close to the primary logo in that the lettering used and color will most likely stay uniform. Other sports tend to push perfection. Baseball, on the otherhand, celebrates imperfection and quirkiness. I love that.

10-09-2003, 02:11 AM	#1
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Something about team logos I hadn't noticed before... After watching many of the Division Series games, I noticed something about the baseball team logos I hadn't realized before (probably because prior to making logos myself I didn't pay that much attention to them). Even leaving aside the fact that teams now often change their logos every couple of years, teams still often have several variations of their logo being used at once. For example, the Minnesota Twins on their ballcaps had a "T C" on the front, something which is not part of their full logo. The Oakland A's had a shoulder patch logo on their uniforms which had an elephant balancing on a baseball while holding a baseball bat in its trunk, again, something which is not at all part of their regular logo. The Florida Marlins on the front of their uniforms have "Marlins" written in a style which is not used in their full logo, while on their caps and on shoulder patches they have the drawing of the marlin with an "F" over it, which is a variation of their full logo. The Chicago Cubs have their normal logo on the left front side of their uniforms, but also have a shoulder patch logo which has a red "C" with a blue bear cub inside it, and their caps just have a red "C" with white outline on them. All of this is to point out that, really, there could be up to 4 separate logos being used by a team at the same time. There is the full logo as you'd see it in their team publications or web sites; there's the logo as seen on the front of the ballcap; then there's the version seen on the front of the uniform, and finally there's the version which might be used on a shoulder patch. The latter three logos situations can be either variations of the full logo or completely different designs. Anyway, I just found it interesting. It kind of makes me want to work up blank Photoshop templates of a uniform front, ballcap front, and shoulder patch area so that anyone interested in doing a complete logo treatment for a team could do so...

10-09-2003, 02:17 AM	#2
Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	yup, that's why under my showcase section on my site i always have a few variations of the same logo. __________________

10-09-2003, 09:14 AM	#3
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,731	Really, it's like that for most sports. Just about every team has at least a primary logo and a secondary. Often, they'll have a third or fourth logo, which is a variation on the primary or secondary. And then we can get into wordmarks... Oh, the merchandising! --Eriq. __________________

10-09-2003, 12:53 PM	#5
DreamTeams Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,522	I've noticed that too, Le Grand Orange. It's something unique to baseball. The same colors are used between a team's logos, but the lettering and design can be totally different. Even, if you look through old baseball logos you'll find the same quirkiness between primary and secondary logos. However, in other sports you'll see secondary logos, but they usually are very close to the primary logo in that the lettering used and color will most likely stay uniform. Other sports tend to push perfection. Baseball, on the otherhand, celebrates imperfection and quirkiness. I love that. __________________

10-09-2003, 12:03 PM	#4
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,214	Le Grande Orange: That would be the ultimate graphics for me...to have caps, jerseys and home and away uniforms. If you do it, sign me up. Unfortunately, you'll have to help me install them...computer-challenged and graphics-ignorance, you know. Someone has a website with a league in a mythical island kingdom. It has all of the above. It is very interesting. Sorry, don't remember the name. Deft has a great website, too. Le Grange Orange, as the OOTPB Resident Scheduler Par Excellence, I need your help with a 154 game schedule...4 eight team divisions...no interdivisional play during the season...only the playoffs. I will manually enter the schedule. Do you know an easy way to design a schedule with off days and all teams not being off on the same dates? Is there a formula...or is it just trial and error? It takes me about 30 hours to get a schedule somewhat perfect. I just want 11 home/away games and some realism as far as home stays and road trips...but the latter is not truly important. Any help you can give me would be appreciated.