Selection Sunday thread

Cobra Mgr · 03-17-2019, 05:54 PM

How do you have Kansas a #4 seed, but put them in a bracket that ends in Kansas City???????......

.........Big surprise to see Belmont get an at large bid......

.........Wow. Morant vs Howard in the Marquette v Murray St matchup......

.......Looks like NCSt's weak, no, SUPER weak OOC did them in......

.......West looks like the weakest region.........

.....I truly believe St.John's presence in NYC got them in.......

.....Intriguing 7-10 match between Louisville & Minnesota. Richard Pitino goes against the school that fired his dad. Yeah, that was just a coincidence........

......Midwest looks to be the group of death.......

Reed · 03-17-2019, 06:46 PM

I think Mich. St. should have gotten the 2 slot in the Zags region. Other than that. I am ok with the selections and seeding. As usual, looks like it will be a good tourney.

Even the lady’s tourney should be good when they get to the elite 8.

DustyElbows · 03-17-2019, 07:05 PM

Definitely most excited for Marquette/Murray State and Wofford/Seton Hall. Howard vs Ja and Fletcher Magee vs Myles Powell? Sign me up.

As a Minnesota fan, I'm bummed that we would have to play a conference opponent in the 2nd round, but I love love love the Louisville draw. A team that hasn't looked sure of itself since Duke ripped their hearts out. Plus the Pitino storyline is gold. Gophers also have a Louisville transfer (Matz Stockman) who will probably play about 15 minutes.

Leo_The_Lip · 03-17-2019, 07:38 PM

How can crap go 8-12 and 9-11 in their conference and still get in? Disgraceful.

Cobra Mgr · 03-18-2019, 08:34 AM

I'm not going to argue for teams like Clemson or NCSt to get in. I think the teams that didn't get in didn't deserve it. I also think probably the last 4 or 5 at large teams didn't "deserve" it either.

But I will say something about the committee's selection process and the NET. I will never advocate for the computer to be the exclusive measuring stick for team evaluation. There are just some nuances only the human eye can catch. However, I'm totally for using the computer formulas as a tool to help in the measuring process.

I can understand NCSt's AD's beef with the results. Personally, I think you have to try really hard to finish last among 353 schools in OOC scheduling. That is just inexcusable. I'm all in favor of that kind of cherry picking being "punished". But the new NCAA's NET ratings are supposed to take that all into account.

So NCSt still finished 33rd. With 32 automatic qualifiers, that means 36 at large bids are available. Ten teams above the Wolfpack got automatic bids. Based on the NET alone, the Pack should have made it in. But of course, the NET was never meant to be the beat all that ends all.

But the 2nd part of the discussion is that the committee keeps harping on quadrant wins. Quad 1 being the top 25% of the NET, quad 2 the next 25%, and so on. So NCSt is in the top quad. Anyone that plays NCSt gets a plus on their scheduling. Anyone that beats them gets a plus on their resume. But the Pack gets nothing for being a quad 1 team as the NCAA's formula suggests.

Now you look @ St.John's. Quad 1 ends @ #84. The Storm's NET ranking is 73rd. They are barely in the quad 1 discussion. And their SOS is 327th. So tell me why a team with those numbers, w/a sub.500 record in a weaker conference, merited selection while the Pack is not even among the "First 4 out"? (The Pack went 10-10 vs the ACC with 5 of those losses to schools that earned #1 seeds)

So the selection process is saying a number of things. It is saying the NET means something but then means nothing. It is saying being quad 1 shows you're good but that you're also a potential phony.

Again, I'm not crying about these teams not getting in, because I don't think they were robbed. Though I do feel UNC-G should have been selected over St.John's. But that's no biggie. And I enjoy every piece of misery the Wolfpack fan base has to endure. Some of the most miserable and obnoxious group of paranoids you will ever meet.

But I also like things to be fair. And if your metric says a school is in the top half of the top quarter of schools playing, then it has to matter or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

knightdreamer2k · 03-18-2019, 03:37 PM

This year was better than most with less controversial teams. I don't like that Texas or Indiana was in the conversation. I also not a fan of Oklahoma getting in. Again teams in the power conferences have more opportunities so when you see things like they went 3-6 against top teams it is not telling the full story.

Cobra Mgr · 03-18-2019, 04:05 PM

ESPN decided to release the women's bracket 2 hrs earlier than scheduled. Why? Because the ESPN dopes had already accidently "released" the brackets sometime after 3pm.

Reed · 03-18-2019, 04:25 PM

UConn a 2 seed and NCar State a 1 seed? I think this is bogus.
I misread MS state for NC State. Still think UConn should be higher than Louisville.

pilight · 03-19-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reed

UConn a 2 seed and NCar State a 1 seed? I think this is bogus.
I misread MS state for NC State. Still think UConn should be higher than Louisville.

Given that Louisville beat UConn pretty handily, it's difficult to justify that. UConn's schedule this year wasn't as strong as it has been in years past and they lost half the tough games they did play.

madjac74 · 03-19-2019, 07:41 PM

How does #7 seed cincy get pretty much a home game in columbus OH in the first round??

And how do you neutralize the big ten? Bunch almost all of them into 2 regions

rudel.dietrich · 03-21-2019, 07:18 PM

Ja Morant seems to have just secured the #2 pick in the draft.
I have watched him a few times this season and he is incredibly athletic.

rink23 · 03-21-2019, 07:37 PM

Not the hardcore college basketball fan I used to be, but I do manage to watch most of the tournament.
Wow, is Ja Morant a player and the right kind of player.
He's not out there trying to improve his NBA draft stock at the expense of his team, his unselfish play, team-first attitude does that for him.
I'd love to see the Murray State Racers go a long way just to keep him around.

Cobra Mgr · 03-21-2019, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Ja Morant seems to have just secured the #2 pick in the draft.
I have watched him a few times this season and he is incredibly athletic.

Today there were times he looked like a Jedi going at some droids.

rink23 · 03-23-2019, 05:50 PM

Probably going to get ripped for this, but I am sitting home watching alone with my Kat and she doesn't want to hear me bitch.
But it irked me, when late in the Kentucky-Woffard game, Woffard had three shots at the basket -- got hammered on two of them -- no foul was called.
On the other end, Kentucky player goes hard to the basket. Defender goes at him, touches him on non-shooting hand and is called for a foul.
Also, after the game was over. Kentucky was lauded for being shorthanded without top freshman PJ Washington.
But isn't there something wrong with calling them short-handed when they just plug in another high school All-American who would likely be starting for any other team in the country.
Anyway, the reason Kentucky won is Fletcher McGee's 0-for-12 from 3.
But it just bothers me when Calipari seems to get the breaks and is praised when he is the one who started everything that is now wrong with college basketball.

Cobra Mgr · 03-24-2019, 05:06 PM

You sound like most of us in ACC land after a dook win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rink23

Probably going to get ripped for this, but I am sitting home watching alone with my Kat and she doesn't want to hear me bitch.
But it irked me, when late in the Kentucky-Woffard game, Woffard had three shots at the basket -- got hammered on two of them -- no foul was called.
On the other end, Kentucky player goes hard to the basket. Defender goes at him, touches him on non-shooting hand and is called for a foul.
Also, after the game was over. Kentucky was lauded for being shorthanded without top freshman PJ Washington.
But isn't there something wrong with calling them short-handed when they just plug in another high school All-American who would likely be starting for any other team in the country.
Anyway, the reason Kentucky won is Fletcher McGee's 0-for-12 from 3.
But it just bothers me when Calipari seems to get the breaks and is praised when he is the one who started everything that is now wrong with college basketball.

Eric · 03-25-2019, 04:01 PM

FYI - There's still a perfect bracket heading into the Sweet Sixteen. First time ever.
Here's the bracket...https://bracketchallenge.ncaa.com/picks/bracket/2550349

DamPenguin · 03-26-2019, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You sound like most of us in ACC land after a dook win.

I hate Duke. I actually like the fact that they are good because it makes it more emotional to watch their games. And you said it, seems like every time they win they are a bunch of calls (or no calls) that go their way. Every year I don't care who wins the Tournament, as long as it isn't Duke!!

Cobra Mgr · 03-26-2019, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

FYI - There's still a perfect bracket heading into the Sweet Sixteen. First time ever.
Here's the bracket...https://bracketchallenge.ncaa.com/picks/bracket/2550349

03-18-2019, 08:34 AM	#5
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,072	I'm not going to argue for teams like Clemson or NCSt to get in. I think the teams that didn't get in didn't deserve it. I also think probably the last 4 or 5 at large teams didn't "deserve" it either. But I will say something about the committee's selection process and the NET. I will never advocate for the computer to be the exclusive measuring stick for team evaluation. There are just some nuances only the human eye can catch. However, I'm totally for using the computer formulas as a tool to help in the measuring process. I can understand NCSt's AD's beef with the results. Personally, I think you have to try really hard to finish last among 353 schools in OOC scheduling. That is just inexcusable. I'm all in favor of that kind of cherry picking being "punished". But the new NCAA's NET ratings are supposed to take that all into account. So NCSt still finished 33rd. With 32 automatic qualifiers, that means 36 at large bids are available. Ten teams above the Wolfpack got automatic bids. Based on the NET alone, the Pack should have made it in. But of course, the NET was never meant to be the beat all that ends all. But the 2nd part of the discussion is that the committee keeps harping on quadrant wins. Quad 1 being the top 25% of the NET, quad 2 the next 25%, and so on. So NCSt is in the top quad. Anyone that plays NCSt gets a plus on their scheduling. Anyone that beats them gets a plus on their resume. But the Pack gets nothing for being a quad 1 team as the NCAA's formula suggests. Now you look @ St.John's. Quad 1 ends @ #84. The Storm's NET ranking is 73rd. They are barely in the quad 1 discussion. And their SOS is 327th. So tell me why a team with those numbers, w/a sub.500 record in a weaker conference, merited selection while the Pack is not even among the "First 4 out"? (The Pack went 10-10 vs the ACC with 5 of those losses to schools that earned #1 seeds) So the selection process is saying a number of things. It is saying the NET means something but then means nothing. It is saying being quad 1 shows you're good but that you're also a potential phony. Again, I'm not crying about these teams not getting in, because I don't think they were robbed. Though I do feel UNC-G should have been selected over St.John's. But that's no biggie. And I enjoy every piece of misery the Wolfpack fan base has to endure. Some of the most miserable and obnoxious group of paranoids you will ever meet. But I also like things to be fair. And if your metric says a school is in the top half of the top quarter of schools playing, then it has to matter or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

03-17-2019, 05:54 PM	#1
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,072	Selection Sunday thread How do you have Kansas a #4 seed, but put them in a bracket that ends in Kansas City???????...... .........Big surprise to see Belmont get an at large bid...... .........Wow. Morant vs Howard in the Marquette v Murray St matchup...... .......Looks like NCSt's weak, no, SUPER weak OOC did them in...... .......West looks like the weakest region......... .....I truly believe St.John's presence in NYC got them in....... .....Intriguing 7-10 match between Louisville & Minnesota. Richard Pitino goes against the school that fired his dad. Yeah, that was just a coincidence........ ......Midwest looks to be the group of death....... __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

03-17-2019, 06:46 PM	#2
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,609	I think Mich. St. should have gotten the 2 slot in the Zags region. Other than that. I am ok with the selections and seeding. As usual, looks like it will be a good tourney. Even the lady’s tourney should be good when they get to the elite 8.

03-17-2019, 07:05 PM	#3
DustyElbows Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 225	Definitely most excited for Marquette/Murray State and Wofford/Seton Hall. Howard vs Ja and Fletcher Magee vs Myles Powell? Sign me up. As a Minnesota fan, I'm bummed that we would have to play a conference opponent in the 2nd round, but I love love love the Louisville draw. A team that hasn't looked sure of itself since Duke ripped their hearts out. Plus the Pitino storyline is gold. Gophers also have a Louisville transfer (Matz Stockman) who will probably play about 15 minutes.

03-17-2019, 07:38 PM	#4
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,811	How can crap go 8-12 and 9-11 in their conference and still get in? Disgraceful. __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

03-18-2019, 03:37 PM	#6
knightdreamer2k Major Leagues Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 452	This year was better than most with less controversial teams. I don't like that Texas or Indiana was in the conversation. I also not a fan of Oklahoma getting in. Again teams in the power conferences have more opportunities so when you see things like they went 3-6 against top teams it is not telling the full story.

03-18-2019, 04:05 PM	#7
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,072	ESPN decided to release the women's bracket 2 hrs earlier than scheduled. Why? Because the ESPN dopes had already accidently "released" the brackets sometime after 3pm. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

03-18-2019, 04:25 PM	#8
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,609	UConn a 2 seed and NCar State a 1 seed? I think this is bogus. I misread MS state for NC State. Still think UConn should be higher than Louisville. Last edited by Reed; 03-18-2019 at 04:29 PM. Reason: Made a correction

03-19-2019, 07:41 PM	#10
madjac74 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 133	How does #7 seed cincy get pretty much a home game in columbus OH in the first round?? And how do you neutralize the big ten? Bunch almost all of them into 2 regions

03-21-2019, 07:18 PM	#11
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Ja Morant seems to have just secured the #2 pick in the draft. I have watched him a few times this season and he is incredibly athletic.

03-21-2019, 07:37 PM	#12
rink23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 23,730	Not the hardcore college basketball fan I used to be, but I do manage to watch most of the tournament. Wow, is Ja Morant a player and the right kind of player. He's not out there trying to improve his NBA draft stock at the expense of his team, his unselfish play, team-first attitude does that for him. I'd love to see the Murray State Racers go a long way just to keep him around.

03-23-2019, 05:50 PM	#14
rink23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 23,730	Probably going to get ripped for this, but I am sitting home watching alone with my Kat and she doesn't want to hear me bitch. But it irked me, when late in the Kentucky-Woffard game, Woffard had three shots at the basket -- got hammered on two of them -- no foul was called. On the other end, Kentucky player goes hard to the basket. Defender goes at him, touches him on non-shooting hand and is called for a foul. Also, after the game was over. Kentucky was lauded for being shorthanded without top freshman PJ Washington. But isn't there something wrong with calling them short-handed when they just plug in another high school All-American who would likely be starting for any other team in the country. Anyway, the reason Kentucky won is Fletcher McGee's 0-for-12 from 3. But it just bothers me when Calipari seems to get the breaks and is praised when he is the one who started everything that is now wrong with college basketball.

03-25-2019, 04:01 PM	#16
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	FYI - There's still a perfect bracket heading into the Sweet Sixteen. First time ever. Here's the bracket...https://bracketchallenge.ncaa.com/picks/bracket/2550349