Looking for a mini-whale Perfect League

[joehart]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

hehe

Wow. That Grove/Schilling combo will be hard to beat.

I tried to tell folks that this will quickly ruin things but looks like it all has to happen first before anyone believes me.

Having a single overpowered SP (Pedro) was bad. Having 5 of them in the game will make the top league pretty boring for everyone else in a few weeks.

[joehart]

Originally Posted by Zorro

He is 44-3? That team is really not that good. He must be in a weak league right? I have seen teams with 26 perfects and never come close to 44-3. Even if he micro manages ever series that is a incredible winning pct...

Lefty Grove (128-77-80) and Schilling (110-85-90) are too much for anyone without similar cards. The competition will get tougher soon but most of the teams promoted to Perfect league will be pretty unhappy soon. I would not be surprised if we see even more people trying to give up and adjust their roster so they can try to get out of leagues with such teams.

I fear in PT20 well managed teams will not be able to compete against whales with these top SPs.
Wait until Pedro and the other 2-3 top SPs are added.

Personally, I really dislike the gap between tier 1 and the next tier of top pitchers.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by joehart

Lefty Grove (128-77-80) and Schilling (110-85-90) are too much for anyone without similar cards. The competition will get tougher soon but most of the teams promoted to Perfect league will be pretty unhappy soon. I would not be surprised if we see even more people trying to give up and adjust their roster so they can try to get out of leagues with such teams.

I fear in PT20 well managed teams will not be able to compete against whales with these top SPs.
Wait until Pedro and the other 2-3 top SPs are added.

Personally, I really dislike the gap between tier 1 and the next tier of top pitchers.

Yes I agree, Once I got Perfect Pedro and 98 Schilling in my starting 5 it started not to be fun anymore. I was winning to much and to easy and that was without even micro managing them that much. My team was not that much of a whale team either. 65 points playing against some teams with 100. I won 112 games second only to Asaintsfan who had 113. I found that if I micro managed I would win the series I needed to win (Most of the time) but I could also walk away and win against teams with more points but not as good of cards. When I was capped at 50 I could not maneuver as well and just moving to 65 Points I could do anything I wanted to do to try and win at anyone’s park. So in short I agree that if we get more pitchers like Perfect Pedro or Schilling on a team it will just dominate the game. I am glad I did not move over to Pt 20. I wanted to see if what you told me Joe, Would happen and it appears like it has.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by daves

I learned from you Zorro that managing a team can make a difference.

Oh and I totally believe it does. But what I mean is.....If you and I both manage a team against each other in a league and I have Perfect Pedro and 98 Schilling and you do not......You will not beat me. A lot of people just plug and play so they are beatable. But if you go against Dominant cards (and the only two I worry about in 19 was Perfect Pedro and Schilling) you will have a very hard time winning even if you micro manage. You can out fox all the Trouts, Ruth, Ete but a dominant card is almost impossible to beat consistently. 19 was good because I only found those two cards scary. Joehart and I talked a lot about if 20 made a few dominant cards that even Micro managing every series will not help you unless you own them also. If someone can get 5 Perfect Pedro’s on their pitching staff how do we micro manage that? So in the end if there are a lot of dominant cards you will either have to go buy them and then hope you can out manage your opponent who has them also. But I have found out if I have Perfect Pedro and Schilling I do not have to micro manage 40 pct of my games because they will do ok in the long run left totally on their own especially if I set my park up for them and My team.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Zorro

He is 44-3? That team is really not that good. He must be in a weak league right? I have seen teams with 26 perfects and never come close to 44-3. Even if he micro manages ever series that is a incredible winning pct...

It's the entry league in 20. I'm sure he's just beginning putting together that team.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

It's the entry league in 20. I'm sure he's just beginning putting together that team.

Wow, Already it started? 😱

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

It's the entry league in 20. I'm sure he's just beginning putting together that team.

In the entry league? I see now how he is 43-3 and what a team to have in the entry league. Lol. This started a lot faster then I thought. (Building a powerhouse)

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Zorro

In the entry league? I see now how he is 43-3 and what a team to have in the entry league. Lol. This started a lot faster then I thought. (Building a powerhouse)

70-6 now

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

70-6 now

Lol....

[joehart]

Markus and the team did a great job with the batters. Perfect or Legend cards are very good but usually they are just marginally better and still have some areas that you have to give up like elite defense. You don’t really get elite batting and defense.
99 cards often have slightly better defense while the perfect card is better at batting. This allowed for amazing variety.

Legend pitchers like Pedro with 110-120 stuff and 80s movement and control don’t have much left to desire.
I really disliked that they can produce 8 WAR on average while very good pitchers like 96 Kershaw/Greinke, Brown, Maddux barely reach 4.
Personally, this gap is too big for a game.

It makes the endgame lame and boring. It all comes down to owning 4-5 cards. No variation of maybe seeing 20-30 different pitchers.

Personally, I would never include them for that reason. It eliminates the fun from reaching perfect leagues and makes me want to give up on this game.
Variety of opponents and cards is what makes this game great.

PT20 is significantly worse with the addition of several of those cards.
This is not about money. I could easily buy them. It is about a great game that plays well from early to late leagues.
People will get a big eye opener when the same teams and cards win every single week and luck won’t be enough to challenge them.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by joehart

Markus and the team did a great job with the batters. Perfect or Legend cards are very good but usually they are just marginally better and still have some areas that you have to give up like elite defense. You don’t really get elite batting and defense.
99 cards often have slightly better defense while the perfect card is better at batting. This allowed for amazing variety.

Legend pitchers like Pedro with 110-120 stuff and 80s movement and control don’t have much left to desire.
I really disliked that they can produce 8 WAR on average while very good pitchers like 96 Kershaw/Greinke, Brown, Maddux barely reach 4.
Personally, this gap is too big for a game.

It makes the endgame lame and boring. It all comes down to owning 4-5 cards. No variation of maybe seeing 20-30 different pitchers.

Personally, I would never include them for that reason. It eliminates the fun from reaching perfect leagues and makes me want to give up on this game.
Variety of opponents and cards is what makes this game great.

PT20 is significantly worse with the addition of several of those cards.
This is not about money. I could easily buy them. It is about a great game that plays well from early to late leagues.
People will get a big eye opener when the same teams and cards win every single week and luck won’t be enough to challenge them.

Yes, I don’t care about the cost either. This is my entertainment. But to me if there is going to be a few Dominant pitchers far and away better like Perfect Pedro was in 19 the fun would just be gone for me. Sure I could buy them and compete but it would be complete plug and play. When I start Pedro and Schilling In 19 I really don’t have to micro manage anything I can just plug and play because they are so dominant .The fun I had in 19 was Micro Managing my team. Watching and setting different lineups ete but if every start was a Perfect Pedro then you would just set your line up for the day and walk away. The fun would be gone for me. I might as well play the regular game. (Which is a blast) I like competing against people but if it is just going to be plug and play then I really am not competing at all. (Just buying) I guess we will see But I am glad I did not start a PT in 20 because once I start with my name on it I would have to do whatever it took and plug and play is not for me because I don’t work and want to play a game that keeps me occupied.Thank you Joe for (You know what) lol.

[Dunzie]

Originally Posted by joehart

Markus and the team did a great job with the batters. Perfect or Legend cards are very good but usually they are just marginally better and still have some areas that you have to give up like elite defense. You don’t really get elite batting and defense.
99 cards often have slightly better defense while the perfect card is better at batting. This allowed for amazing variety.

Legend pitchers like Pedro with 110-120 stuff and 80s movement and control don’t have much left to desire.
I really disliked that they can produce 8 WAR on average while very good pitchers like 96 Kershaw/Greinke, Brown, Maddux barely reach 4.
Personally, this gap is too big for a game.

It makes the endgame lame and boring. It all comes down to owning 4-5 cards. No variation of maybe seeing 20-30 different pitchers.

Personally, I would never include them for that reason. It eliminates the fun from reaching perfect leagues and makes me want to give up on this game.
Variety of opponents and cards is what makes this game great.

PT20 is significantly worse with the addition of several of those cards.
This is not about money. I could easily buy them. It is about a great game that plays well from early to late leagues.
People will get a big eye opener when the same teams and cards win every single week and luck won’t be enough to challenge them.

Have to agree on the dominance of top pitchers in both variants. Currently in the sub series against a team loaded with 100 cards - but specifically their rotation is all 100's, and 4 of the 6 in the pen are 100's. Somehow snuck a win in after game 1, but since then 18 innings and 8 hits, and my team has some great hitters.


Looking forward to perfect Pedro, perfect Clemens, perfect Maddux and perfect Gooden doesn't give a whole lot of optimism in a series win.

[joehart]

I am still hoping that someone will see that it may have looked good on paper but just is not helping the game to be better and more fun.

The game should be about its features and other great cards. If I can’t even use the other top 100 cards to compete and all the new features and strategy options are too insignificant to matter then the game went the wrong direction.

[zrog2000]

The only point I can make about Perfect Pedro is that he really was that much more dominant than any pitcher in baseball history IRL. He was a freak of nature and his fingers were about 2 inches longer than everyone else's.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

The only point I can make about Perfect Pedro is that he really was that much more dominant than any pitcher in baseball history IRL. He was a freak of nature and his fingers were about 2 inches longer than everyone else's.

I'd take Gibson 10 out of 10 times....

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

I'd take Gibson 10 out of 10 times....

Here we go...

[daves]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

I'd take Gibson 10 out of 10 times....

real life, yes. PT life ummm. Is there a perfect Gibson?

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by daves

real life, yes. PT life ummm. Is there a perfect Gibson?

There is a damn nice one in PT 20......it went for 200k a couple hours ago....slightly too rich for this guy

[daves]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

There is a damn nice one in PT 20......it went for 200k a couple hours ago....slightly too rich for this guy

I have not went over 80,000 on any one player. Some of these prices on PT20 are outrageous.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by daves

I have not went over 80,000 on any one player. Some of these prices on PT20 are outrageous.

I went 25k on legendary Brock, almost went 40k on Mort Cooper, a guy I hadn't heard of but he had some real nice pitching ratings but I figured I'd wait a bit.