Will the CS (Caught Stealing) Issue be addressed in OOTP 20?

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 07:19 AM

When you compare the Caught Stealing percentages in OOTP, base stealers get caught wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than in real life.

I lowered all Catching Throwing arms 20 points to try to help, but it only had a small effect league wide (but, it IS better). This is in all of my historical leagues.

Has this been addressed in OOTP 20?

Thx

Bluenoser · 03-23-2019, 07:28 AM

Not sure if you're aware, but you can adjust SB attempts and success % in league setup on the "Stats & AI" Tab.

I generally find the defaults pretty good, but have made some adjustments depending on what I'm trying to accomplish.

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not sure if you're aware, but you can adjust SB attempts and success % in league setup on the "Stats & AI" Tab.

I generally find the defaults pretty good, but have made some adjustments depending on what I'm trying to accomplish.

Thx for the reply. I might have tried that. Not sure.....However, I'd have to argue about the defaults being good, lol.

Be that as it is, what settings would I make the CS to increase the success rate? Less than 1.0 or more than 1.0?

Bluenoser · 03-23-2019, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leefoo

Thx for the reply. I might have tried that. Not sure.....However, I'd have to argue about the defaults being good, lol.

Be that as it is, what settings would I make the CS to increase the success rate? Less than 1.0 or more than 1.0?

Sorry, I have no interest in arguing about default settings - everyone who plays this game has their own idea of what's a good setting. Just read the forums, there's plenty of arguments about correct settings. Jump in and help yourself.

I like the defaults in OOTP, ymmv

Higher % = higher success.

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Sorry, I have no interest in arguing about default settings - everyone who plays this game has their own idea of what's a good setting. Just read the forums, there's plenty of arguments about correct settings. Jump in and help yourself.

I like the defaults in OOTP, ymmv

Higher % = higher success.

Sorry...wasn't trying to start an argument...that's why I popped in the 'lol'. I thought it was obvious that I didn't like the CS default.

So....If I read you correctly, if I make the default to, say, 1.25 for CS, my baserunners will have a higher success rate?

Thx.

Bluenoser · 03-23-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leefoo

Sorry...wasn't trying to start an argument...that's why I popped in the 'lol'. I thought it was obvious that I didn't like the CS default.

So....If I read you correctly, if I make the default to, say, 1.25 for CS, my baserunners will have a higher success rate?

Thx.

Yes - the greater the %, the greater the success.

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Yes - the greater the %, the greater the success.

Many thanks.

Btw, here is an example of my CS stats. I haven't touched the default which was set at 1.0. I will, however, start playing with it.

I have just set it to 1.25 and I'll see how that works out..

Bluenoser · 03-23-2019, 08:32 AM

What do you have Attempts set to? These work hand in hand, so be careful when adjusting.

I like to have SB Attempts at a higher %, and success a bit lower. Right now I have Attempts at 1.182 and success at .961. So more trying/less success rather than less trying/more success.

Of course there are other things to consider, like if your league has a lot of catchers with strong arms, or a lot of pitchers with good pick off moves.

You should make a copy of your league and fast sim some seasons with different settings of % whichever way you decide. It doesn't take a big change to affect results in my experience.

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

What do you have Attempts set to? These work hand in hand, so be careful when adjusting.

I like to have SB Attempts at a higher %, and success a bit lower. Right now I have Attempts at 1.182 and success at .961. So more trying/less success rather than less trying/more success.

Of course there are other things to consider, like if your league has a lot of catchers with strong arms, or a lot of pitchers with good pick off moves.

You should make a copy of your league and fast sim some seasons with different settings of % whichever way you decide. It doesn't take a big change to affect results in my experience.

Thx....i have attempts at 1.0. I would like more success, so I raised it from 1.0 to 1.25. The attempts seem to be just fine. As my original post stated, I have already tried lowering the C arms, but this is a much quicker fix (I hope).

I will do as you suggest and run a couple of sims.

Wish me luck!

And again thx for the quick response.

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 08:58 AM

In that image that I posted.....Those guys that are horrible at base stealing...... They are on AI teams. Is there any way to stop them individually from stealing? I don't want to limit the whole team.

Thx!

Bluenoser · 03-23-2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Leefoo

In that image that I posted.....Those guys that are horrible at base stealing...... They are on AI teams. Is there any way to stop them individually from stealing? I don't want to limit the whole team.

Thx!

Not really unless you control their team. The team and manager strategy would come into play then. The "attempts" and "success" are changes that affect the league as a whole, for individual players would have to be through team management and individual player strategies, which are controlled by management.

Reed · 03-23-2019, 10:21 AM

In my experience, if want to increase successful stolen base rates by 10% and the current rate is .961 as in the above example, I just increase the .961 by 10% to a setting of 1.05.

RchW · 03-23-2019, 10:52 AM

You can edit the engine.cfg file to directly influence results.

# Game Engine configuration file
# Editing is simple: When you want an event to occur more often, raise the number of the event.
# Default is 100.
# Example: If you want the double-play frequency to be increased by 20%, enter 120 instead of 100 under GAME_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY
# Copyright (c) 2009, OOTP Developments GmbH & Co. KG

GAME_GROUNDBALL_FLYBALL_FACTOR
100
GAME_DEFENSE_INFLUENCE
100
GAME_FIELDING_ERROR_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_THROWING_ERROR_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_TRIPLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_LINE_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_TAGUP_FIRST_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_TAGUP_FIRST_SUCCESS
100
GAME_TAGUP_SECOND_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_TAGUP_SECOND_SUCCESS
100
GAME_TAGUP_THIRD_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_TAGUP_THIRD_SUCCESS
100
GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_SECOND_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_SECOND_SUCCESS
100
GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_THIRD_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_THIRD_SUCCESS
100
GAME_STEALING_SUCCESS
100
GAME_BUNTING_SUCCESS
100
GAME_BUNT_FOR_HIT_SUCCESS
100
GAME_HIT_RUN_SUCCESS
100
GAME_WILD_PITCH_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_PASSED_BALL_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_BALK_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_PICKOFF_FREQUENCY
100
GAME_PICKOFF_SUCCESS
100
HISTORICAL_SP_STAMINA_CALCULATION_IPGS_WEIGHT
100
HISTORICAL_SP_STAMINA_CALCULATION_CGP_WEIGHT
50

Leefoo · 03-23-2019, 12:08 PM

What do you edit that engine.cfg with....Word?

endgame · 03-23-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leefoo

What do you edit that engine.cfg with....Word?

Notepad works fine.

03-23-2019, 07:19 AM	#1
Leefoo Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 437	Will the CS (Caught Stealing) Issue be addressed in OOTP 20? When you compare the Caught Stealing percentages in OOTP, base stealers get caught wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than in real life. I lowered all Catching Throwing arms 20 points to try to help, but it only had a small effect league wide (but, it IS better). This is in all of my historical leagues. Has this been addressed in OOTP 20? Thx

03-23-2019, 07:28 AM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,537	Not sure if you're aware, but you can adjust SB attempts and success % in league setup on the "Stats & AI" Tab. I generally find the defaults pretty good, but have made some adjustments depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. Attached Images

03-23-2019, 08:58 AM	#10
Leefoo Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 437	Bluenoser...one last SB/CS question, if I may In that image that I posted.....Those guys that are horrible at base stealing...... They are on AI teams. Is there any way to stop them individually from stealing? I don't want to limit the whole team. Thx!

03-23-2019, 10:52 AM	#13
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	You can edit the engine.cfg file to directly influence results. # Game Engine configuration file # Editing is simple: When you want an event to occur more often, raise the number of the event. # Default is 100. # Example: If you want the double-play frequency to be increased by 20%, enter 120 instead of 100 under GAME_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY # Copyright (c) 2009, OOTP Developments GmbH & Co. KG GAME_GROUNDBALL_FLYBALL_FACTOR 100 GAME_DEFENSE_INFLUENCE 100 GAME_FIELDING_ERROR_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_THROWING_ERROR_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_TRIPLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_LINE_DOUBLE_PLAY_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_TAGUP_FIRST_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_TAGUP_FIRST_SUCCESS 100 GAME_TAGUP_SECOND_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_TAGUP_SECOND_SUCCESS 100 GAME_TAGUP_THIRD_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_TAGUP_THIRD_SUCCESS 100 GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_SECOND_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_SECOND_SUCCESS 100 GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_THIRD_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_EXTRA_BASE_FROM_THIRD_SUCCESS 100 GAME_STEALING_SUCCESS 100 GAME_BUNTING_SUCCESS 100 GAME_BUNT_FOR_HIT_SUCCESS 100 GAME_HIT_RUN_SUCCESS 100 GAME_WILD_PITCH_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_PASSED_BALL_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_BALK_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_PICKOFF_FREQUENCY 100 GAME_PICKOFF_SUCCESS 100 HISTORICAL_SP_STAMINA_CALCULATION_IPGS_WEIGHT 100 HISTORICAL_SP_STAMINA_CALCULATION_CGP_WEIGHT 50 __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

03-23-2019, 08:32 AM	#8
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,537	What do you have Attempts set to? These work hand in hand, so be careful when adjusting. I like to have SB Attempts at a higher %, and success a bit lower. Right now I have Attempts at 1.182 and success at .961. So more trying/less success rather than less trying/more success. Of course there are other things to consider, like if your league has a lot of catchers with strong arms, or a lot of pitchers with good pick off moves. You should make a copy of your league and fast sim some seasons with different settings of % whichever way you decide. It doesn't take a big change to affect results in my experience.

03-23-2019, 10:21 AM	#12
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,748	In my experience, if want to increase successful stolen base rates by 10% and the current rate is .961 as in the above example, I just increase the .961 by 10% to a setting of 1.05.

03-23-2019, 12:08 PM	#14
Leefoo Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 437	What do you edit that engine.cfg with....Word?