I don't think superstar players are asking for enough money

malichai11 · 03-20-2019, 12:50 AM

22 year old superstar, 80/80, put up 8.4 WAR last season and won the MVP, about to enter arbitration, is only asking for an 8 year deal worth $86m w/ 800k for MVP. He settles for an 8 year deal worth 80m with the last 2 years being team options, and no bonuses for allstar or MVP. His greed rating is 122 according to the editor. The year is 2020. Financial settings show that a Super Star Quality player typical salary is 20m.

His first year of Arbitration is worth 8.2m. For arguments sake, let's say Arb year 2 is worth 10m and Arb year 3 is worth 12m. Then years 4 through 8 of his free agency should be 20m each, or 100m. That's 120m in total. He's leaving at least $40m on the table for a player who's greed rating should have him trying to get more.

Though in free agency, a 29 year old Mike Trout is asking for $50m/year, I'll chime in with how much he signs for when I get to that part.

edit - he signed for 7 years, 24m/year.

Is this working as intended? I know I already commented about this yesterday, but that was from an OOTP19 save game so I wasn't sure if there was funky business happening there. This is a fresh, standard MLB game. It's Juan Soto, actually. Is it because he's an LF who doesn't play outstanding defense? Whereas it seems that Shohei Ohtani (by editing his age down so I was looking at apples to apples), in the exact same situation with a 1 in his greed, will only accept 20m for 8 years with the last 2 being team options and no bonuses.

It is definitely an improvement that young superstars aren't accepting 10 year contracts, yes. I'm just concerned with some player types accepting too small of yearly salaries to buy out their 3 arb years and their first 5 free agency years.

Sharkn20 · 03-20-2019, 02:42 AM

That's why some of us play with House rules to not extend young Stars until they pass their arbitration years, so they understand their real value.

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malichai11 · 03-20-2019, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharkn20

That's why some of us play with House rules to not extend young Stars until they pass their arbitration years, so they understand their real value.

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Sure, and that's a good house rule, but comparing 20 to 19, superstar players are signing for less money per year if you don't try to go past 7 or 8 year contracts. The specific example I found was the same player from an OOTP19 save that I imported into 20 took an average of 15.5m/year over 10 years and in OOTP20 took 8.7 per year for 7 years. 3 less years of control for a savings of $90m or almost $7m/year. I'm just seeing more and more of this in OOTP20.

Mat · 03-20-2019, 03:09 AM

They may have over adjusted a little too much but prices are coming down in MLB.

Shake Appeal · 03-20-2019, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mat

They may have over adjusted a little too much but prices are coming down in MLB.

Yep, but not as much for younger free agents or pre-arb stars getting extensions. Bregman just got $100M over six years, including his arb years and the first two years of free agency.

WIUPIKE · 03-20-2019, 05:43 AM

What are the financials in your league. What is the inflation rate at, what is the avg profit per team. Those along with other things play a factor in contracts I believe.

Matt Arnold · 03-20-2019, 06:08 AM

Yeah, a few young guys ended up asking for much too low values on long-term deals. We'll adjust that for release on Friday.

03-20-2019, 12:50 AM	#1
malichai11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 282	Are superstar players asking for enough money? 22 year old superstar, 80/80, put up 8.4 WAR last season and won the MVP, about to enter arbitration, is only asking for an 8 year deal worth $86m w/ 800k for MVP. He settles for an 8 year deal worth 80m with the last 2 years being team options, and no bonuses for allstar or MVP. His greed rating is 122 according to the editor. The year is 2020. Financial settings show that a Super Star Quality player typical salary is 20m. His first year of Arbitration is worth 8.2m. For arguments sake, let's say Arb year 2 is worth 10m and Arb year 3 is worth 12m. Then years 4 through 8 of his free agency should be 20m each, or 100m. That's 120m in total. He's leaving at least $40m on the table for a player who's greed rating should have him trying to get more. Though in free agency, a 29 year old Mike Trout is asking for $50m/year, I'll chime in with how much he signs for when I get to that part. edit - he signed for 7 years, 24m/year. Is this working as intended? I know I already commented about this yesterday, but that was from an OOTP19 save game so I wasn't sure if there was funky business happening there. This is a fresh, standard MLB game. It's Juan Soto, actually. Is it because he's an LF who doesn't play outstanding defense? Whereas it seems that Shohei Ohtani (by editing his age down so I was looking at apples to apples), in the exact same situation with a 1 in his greed, will only accept 20m for 8 years with the last 2 being team options and no bonuses. It is definitely an improvement that young superstars aren't accepting 10 year contracts, yes. I'm just concerned with some player types accepting too small of yearly salaries to buy out their 3 arb years and their first 5 free agency years. Last edited by malichai11; 03-20-2019 at 02:48 AM.

03-20-2019, 02:42 AM	#2
Sharkn20 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 289	That's why some of us play with House rules to not extend young Stars until they pass their arbitration years, so they understand their real value. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

03-20-2019, 03:09 AM	#4
Mat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 652	They may have over adjusted a little too much but prices are coming down in MLB.

03-20-2019, 05:43 AM	#6
WIUPIKE All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nashville Area Posts: 1,273	What are the financials in your league. What is the inflation rate at, what is the avg profit per team. Those along with other things play a factor in contracts I believe.

03-20-2019, 06:08 AM	#7
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,218	Yeah, a few young guys ended up asking for much too low values on long-term deals. We'll adjust that for release on Friday.