Development Team Question

Ty Cobb · 02-05-2019, 06:06 PM

I see the $5 sale. On a Mac ('cause I know we're a pain sometimes) can I simply purchase another license and install a second copy in a different location than my original and have two completely separate games running on the same system?

Is it:

A)frowned upon
B)TOS Violation
C)We'll take yer $5, but don't say we didn't warn you this **** might not
screw everything up.
D)Try it and see...never thought about it.
E)Technically complex reasons that this crap idea will never work.
F)Heck, yeah it'll work. Buy a couple more while you're at it...

Looking forward to the answer!

eldur00 · 02-05-2019, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

I see the $5 sale. On a Mac ('cause I know we're a pain sometimes) can I simply purchase another license and install a second copy in a different location than my original and have two completely separate games running on the same system?

Is it:

A)frowned upon
B)TOS Violation
C)We'll take yer $5, but don't say we didn't warn you this **** might not
screw everything up.
D)Try it and see...never thought about it.
E)Technically complex reasons that this crap idea will never work.
F)Heck, yeah it'll work. Buy a couple more while you're at it...

Looking forward to the answer!

What do you mean a completely different location ? Are we talking a different drive, or a different partition ?

Ty Cobb · 02-05-2019, 06:35 PM

My current one is in a subfolder of my Applications folder. Could I put another install in a different folder and run both separately without screwing things up?

Different drive would be OK too, as I've got an SD card always plugged in. Same system folder, same user is what I'm hoping for.

kryakyu12 · 02-05-2019, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

My current one is in a subfolder of my Applications folder. Could I put another install in a different folder and run both separately without screwing things up?

Different drive would be OK too, as I've got an SD card always plugged in. Same system folder, same user is what I'm hoping for.

I do not think that this would work, as you will likely run into a conflict on the license file. At the very least it would have to be two separate users, which might technically be made to work (can't say about the TOS).

-kr-

kjb023 · 02-05-2019, 07:57 PM

I have nothing helpful to add, but...why would you want to do that?

pgjocki · 02-05-2019, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjb023

I have nothing helpful to add, but...why would you want to do that?

I can see doing it to run one as a long term sim to try different settings or to run some statistical analysis with enough data points, etc

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Lukas Berger · 02-06-2019, 03:55 AM

In theory, it should work and it's not a problem for us (please, feel free to buy as many copies of the game as you want and install them wherever you want

)

The one problem you might run into though, is that the two games will probably share a data folder, which will mean each will want to reinstall the data in that folder each time you start the game. So it makes for long loading times.

Hopefully, if you set a different custom data folder for one or both of the games, then you should be ok.

I'm not entirely sure how Macs handle multiple licenses though, and you may
or may not run into a problem there.

I would say buy the game, try it out, using a custom data folder, and if it doesn't work how you want, just send in a refund request in a support ticket.

Ty Cobb · 02-06-2019, 03:01 PM

So the results:

ON A MAC ONLY...I don't do Winter boxes or Linux...

You CAN install a second copy without screwing everything up, but it must be in a separate mac user account. I created an extra user called "OOTP Extra". If you try it in the same account, even on a second disk, it seems to not like feeling new and pretends to be your old install. I also did not have success installing to an SD card. I haven't yet experimented with using an alias to share game data between the games, and am fearful that permissions issues may screw me up. I' ll let you all know.

For those who want to bring their kids/grandkids in without risking your game data, this will work well. I'm also thinking that by doing fast user swaps, it will also allow easy testing of online leagues for all you budding commissioners. Saw another post regarding an extra copy for dedicated specialty PT teams, and am pretty sure it'll work that way too. And...let's face it, now is the time to buy and try this!

Thanks, Lukas, for your encouragement!

Again...this is ONLY FOR MACS. Your mileage may vary.

Ty Cobb · 02-06-2019, 04:43 PM

Permissions issues block me from sharing files right out of the system folder. Next try: both games having a custom data location to see if it facilitates sharing.

NoOne · 02-06-2019, 04:52 PM

yeah, you can share the same data path, as long as you don't want the 2 users to have the same named league -- unless it is also the goal to play that same saved league in same timeline etc etc. 'together'

if we can customize the user folder paths, you wouldn't even have to use 2 users.

i would htink this only uses 1 licesnse? isn't it per computer license? usually how software, works i thought.

things like multi-boxing in an online game isn't prosecuted and it's rampant. they only pay for one software license but run 5 iterations or more etc, but they owners may be content with the subscription or store revenue... slightly different context i guess.

jimmysthebestcop · 02-07-2019, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

So the results:

ON A MAC ONLY...I don't do Winter boxes or Linux...

You CAN install a second copy without screwing everything up, but it must be in a separate mac user account. I created an extra user called "OOTP Extra". If you try it in the same account, even on a second disk, it seems to not like feeling new and pretends to be your old install. I also did not have success installing to an SD card. I haven't yet experimented with using an alias to share game data between the games, and am fearful that permissions issues may screw me up. I' ll let you all know.

For those who want to bring their kids/grandkids in without risking your game data, this will work well. I'm also thinking that by doing fast user swaps, it will also allow easy testing of online leagues for all you budding commissioners. Saw another post regarding an extra copy for dedicated specialty PT teams, and am pretty sure it'll work that way too. And...let's face it, now is the time to buy and try this!

Thanks, Lukas, for your encouragement!

Again...this is ONLY FOR MACS. Your mileage may vary.

This makes zero sense. You only need 1 license per computer. Not per user. Yes new user accounts on computers gives games, apps, programs different preferences, data paths etc because its a new user. That's the entire point.

You would never need 2 license on 1 computer. Unless you were say running virtual environments with multiple accounts or multiple steam accounts.

If you just wanted to give Devs money, that's cool. But its completely unnecessary to have multiple licences on the same computer at least technology speakin.

phenom · 02-07-2019, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

This makes zero sense. You only need 1 license per computer. Not per user. Yes new user accounts on computers gives games, apps, programs different preferences, data paths etc because its a new user. That's the entire point.

You would never need 2 license on 1 computer. Unless you were say running virtual environments with multiple accounts or multiple steam accounts.

If you just wanted to give Devs money, that's cool. But its completely unnecessary to have multiple licences on the same computer at least technology speakin.

I imagine when there's only one computer to be had among several people and you don't want careless fingers to delete your league while they enjoy the game themselves, it's helpful to have two completely separate installations. Especially if you're already using your allotted licenses.

Ty Cobb · 02-07-2019, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

This makes zero sense. You only need 1 license per computer. Not per user. Yes new user accounts on computers gives games, apps, programs different preferences, data paths etc because its a new user. That's the entire point.

You would never need 2 license on 1 computer. Unless you were say running virtual environments with multiple accounts or multiple steam accounts.

If you just wanted to give Devs money, that's cool. But its completely unnecessary to have multiple licences on the same computer at least technology speakin.

It IS necessary when you want to run 2 copies simultaneously. The way I figure it, $5 for Markus & the gang is a small price to pay to not even worry about a license issue, and I now have freedom to test some limits & ideas. I've already learned that the sharing of a set of data files is a bit more daunting a problem than it seems, as when I tried it I got the app repeatedly trying to re-install the basic rather than using the custom path from a game. I've learned that unlike older versions of OOTP, where you could drop an alias in the App Support folder and utilize one set of logos/BP pix/Player pix across several versions...that doesn't work out under 19. I'm not too sure why. Check out the screen cap of my OOTP folder and you'll understand why I might want to do that...if I share across 17/18/19, I can save the larger part of 40GB x 2. That's some HUGE disk space.

There are a lot of other things that can be done with 2 copies. As I have 1 Mac that'll run 19 and like to play, "What happens if I..." it's going to be nice to have 2 copies: one for everyday usage, and one to mess around with where if I screw things up, I just delete that area and start over with no great loss.

NoOne · 02-07-2019, 12:09 PM

nothing is a problem from sharing the same data directory.

that stuff is only used to create, not during a game.

as long as you don't have the same league name, you'll be fine as far as the data folder. so, i'd even suggest making a custom_folders.ini change so that it does point to the same data directory to save space.

it's the app settings and files under users\..\appdata\.. stuff that can't be shared, most likely, if it is a problem. hence, 2nd user helps.

although, i don't think anything in there is really a problem, either.

as far as your goal as listed in last message -- a copy of a league can do the same thing and take up ~5gb less space by avoiding 2nd install. could be many other reasons why you do want to do so, but that particular one is the same either way and less hassle.

either way, no worries pointing to same data directory. the first load after the change will cuase an "installation" or similar message when you load. after that it will be back to normal. you don't lose anything in this process. you may need to move a .lg folder if it is not the destination you chose to share, of course.

jimmysthebestcop · 02-07-2019, 11:40 PM

You can have Word open for 5 users on the same computer while quick switching and you don't need 5 licenses.

If you just want to give them more money that is cool. But technical speaking I think a lot of what you are trying to do can be accomplished with 1 install of OOTP and 1 license.

But your free to do anything you want. I am just saying tech speaking it is absolutely not needed is all.

02-05-2019, 06:06 PM	#1
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	Development Team Question I see the $5 sale. On a Mac ('cause I know we're a pain sometimes) can I simply purchase another license and install a second copy in a different location than my original and have two completely separate games running on the same system? Is it: A)frowned upon B)TOS Violation C)We'll take yer $5, but don't say we didn't warn you this **** might not screw everything up. D)Try it and see...never thought about it. E)Technically complex reasons that this crap idea will never work. F)Heck, yeah it'll work. Buy a couple more while you're at it... Looking forward to the answer! __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-05-2019, 06:35 PM	#3
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	My current one is in a subfolder of my Applications folder. Could I put another install in a different folder and run both separately without screwing things up? Different drive would be OK too, as I've got an SD card always plugged in. Same system folder, same user is what I'm hoping for. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-06-2019, 03:55 AM	#7
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,738	In theory, it should work and it's not a problem for us (please, feel free to buy as many copies of the game as you want and install them wherever you want) The one problem you might run into though, is that the two games will probably share a data folder, which will mean each will want to reinstall the data in that folder each time you start the game. So it makes for long loading times. Hopefully, if you set a different custom data folder for one or both of the games, then you should be ok. I'm not entirely sure how Macs handle multiple licenses though, and you may or may not run into a problem there. I would say buy the game, try it out, using a custom data folder, and if it doesn't work how you want, just send in a refund request in a support ticket. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Pre-Order Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

02-06-2019, 03:01 PM	#8
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	So the results: ON A MAC ONLY...I don't do Winter boxes or Linux... You CAN install a second copy without screwing everything up, but it must be in a separate mac user account. I created an extra user called "OOTP Extra". If you try it in the same account, even on a second disk, it seems to not like feeling new and pretends to be your old install. I also did not have success installing to an SD card. I haven't yet experimented with using an alias to share game data between the games, and am fearful that permissions issues may screw me up. I' ll let you all know. For those who want to bring their kids/grandkids in without risking your game data, this will work well. I'm also thinking that by doing fast user swaps, it will also allow easy testing of online leagues for all you budding commissioners. Saw another post regarding an extra copy for dedicated specialty PT teams, and am pretty sure it'll work that way too. And...let's face it, now is the time to buy and try this! Thanks, Lukas, for your encouragement! Again...this is ONLY FOR MACS. Your mileage may vary. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-06-2019, 04:43 PM	#9
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	Permissions issues block me from sharing files right out of the system folder. Next try: both games having a custom data location to see if it facilitates sharing. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

02-05-2019, 07:57 PM	#5
kjb023 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 389	I have nothing helpful to add, but...why would you want to do that?

02-06-2019, 04:52 PM	#10
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	yeah, you can share the same data path, as long as you don't want the 2 users to have the same named league -- unless it is also the goal to play that same saved league in same timeline etc etc. 'together' if we can customize the user folder paths, you wouldn't even have to use 2 users. i would htink this only uses 1 licesnse? isn't it per computer license? usually how software, works i thought. things like multi-boxing in an online game isn't prosecuted and it's rampant. they only pay for one software license but run 5 iterations or more etc, but they owners may be content with the subscription or store revenue... slightly different context i guess.

02-07-2019, 12:09 PM	#14
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	nothing is a problem from sharing the same data directory. that stuff is only used to create, not during a game. as long as you don't have the same league name, you'll be fine as far as the data folder. so, i'd even suggest making a custom_folders.ini change so that it does point to the same data directory to save space. it's the app settings and files under users\..\appdata\.. stuff that can't be shared, most likely, if it is a problem. hence, 2nd user helps. although, i don't think anything in there is really a problem, either. as far as your goal as listed in last message -- a copy of a league can do the same thing and take up ~5gb less space by avoiding 2nd install. could be many other reasons why you do want to do so, but that particular one is the same either way and less hassle. either way, no worries pointing to same data directory. the first load after the change will cuase an "installation" or similar message when you load. after that it will be back to normal. you don't lose anything in this process. you may need to move a .lg folder if it is not the destination you chose to share, of course.

02-07-2019, 11:40 PM	#15
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	You can have Word open for 5 users on the same computer while quick switching and you don't need 5 licenses. If you just want to give them more money that is cool. But technical speaking I think a lot of what you are trying to do can be accomplished with 1 install of OOTP and 1 license. But your free to do anything you want. I am just saying tech speaking it is absolutely not needed is all.