Relief Pitchers

Bobfather · 02-03-2019, 04:06 AM

My league is set up to warm up relievers.
Does anyone have a good formula for warming up relievers so they are ready for a certain hitter, maybe like 4th-6th hitters due up next?

Also the AI doesn't seem to warm up relievers, how can I fix this?

Hrycaj · 02-03-2019, 09:43 AM

There is no setting for the AI to warm up relievers. They just don't do it. I believe most players shut the warm up rules off for that very reason. As for formulas if you leave it on, I can't help you there. Safe to say you will always be at a disadvantage because you will just inherently forget to have guys warm at the right time all the time. It especially puts you at a disadvantage when your starter goes out with an injury early in a game. Now you have a cold guy going in that you could have never foreseen.

NoOne · 02-03-2019, 05:31 PM

the game is incremental. i have not done this in a while, so i can't tell specifically .. an out? a PA? an ab? or, a pitch thrown at the smallest incremental step.

now, the pitcher's stamina may relate, it may not... keeping it simple, but any deviation can be deduced too.

it will be a specific amount of incremental steps before they are "warm". simply count them as you go and keep checking bullpen after each incremental step to see when their status changes to warm. a change of inning may not be the same weight as 1 pitch, fwiw... each step doesn't have to be eqaul, but for the most part it probably is.

it still shows that info right? i recall it saying warm or getting tired etc...

anyway, you do this a couple times to verify taht no other factor is relevant... if it varies, pay attnetion to stamina... if that still doesn't make sense it just might have some randomness built in for a bit of variance from one game to the next. if it's the latter, it can't be a huge difference.

Bobfather · 02-03-2019, 06:23 PM

Thanks everyone.
I will most likely turn warm-up off.
In my experience when a pitcher is injured, the next pitcher is warm. As in real life, they get as much time as needed.
Where can I find the menu for relievers settings?

DaBears · 02-03-2019, 08:31 PM

Sounds like you made your decision, but if it helps I do use the warmup rule. It may very well be that the AI does not use it, but that assumes the AI needs it. I'm not so sure about that.

For me (and as discussed on this board repeatedly), the human manager has significant advantages over the AI so it makes the game more competitive to make it as real as possible for you. Don't Maddon and Cora have to warm up pitchers? Why on earth give yourself that type of advantage, whether it is "fair" or not? I manage games out and want it as realistic for me as possible.

As far as your question on how it actually works, generally a RP needs about 3 batters to get there, particularly if you do a mound visit in there as well. Some will get warm after 2 batters, some can even take 4-5, although that is rare if you use the mound visit.

Also, let's say you are the home team and decide to warm someone up in the bottom of the 7th while you are batting. Once they get warm (you may go 0-3 and it is quick, but you may get a rally going and have 4-9 batters come up), you can sit them immediately once it says "ready". When the inning ends, go into your team screen and move them to "warm up", and they will immediately or almost immediately be "ready" again.

I do find, just as in real life, you can warm someone up twice before bringing them in but if you do it a third there is a penalty. If I warm a guy up twice and don't use him, that's it until tomorrow.

Finally, you get to know your players within the OOTP system over the course of a season. It takes a couple of months into the season to get a feel for what differences there may be between your OOTP players and their real life tendencies. No doubt, the team does a great job of modeling players but they aren't going to get absolutely everything right - and players in real life change.

Bobfather · 02-03-2019, 09:32 PM

You summed up most of my views on using relievers, and the warm up rule. I have tended to warm up someone at the beginning of my at bats, but I may not want to use him to the second batter, of the other team. So sometimes they end up being tired. On the other hand I try to wait a couple of batters/ outs, but I forget. One other trick if I plan to bring in a reliever at the beginning of the inning, I warm him up and as soon as he is ready, I put him in the game even if I'm still at bat. And it works.

DaBears · 02-03-2019, 10:12 PM

That's interesting on putting him in the game early. I play as NL teams so typically am aiming to either pinch hit or double switch, so might not work that often.

This is MUCH better in 19 than it was in 18 when introduced. There, they wore themselves out but in 19 I don't really see that. A guy can stay ready for quite a while and when you bring him in there is no noticeable effect. I have been very pleased with the system overall.

NoOne · 02-05-2019, 03:22 PM

that setting is displayed when you first load a "play today's game". pre-game options etc...

wallewalls · 02-05-2019, 04:46 PM

I recently turned the warm up rule back on for me just to make it a bit more challenging and making me have to think a little bit more. DaBears above made a lot of great points and gave a lot of good suggestions. For me, if i let a pitcher warm up I usually try to use him because that is how it works in real life, managers dont like to keep warming up and sitting guys and then not using them at all, but idk if it matters in ootp or not.

While the AI managers dont use it , i think humans should keep it on as it keeps you sharp and gets you thinking more about the game situation, and your team just like an actual manager does. but everyone should do what they want

02-03-2019, 04:06 AM	#1
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,748	Relief Pitchers My league is set up to warm up relievers. Does anyone have a good formula for warming up relievers so they are ready for a certain hitter, maybe like 4th-6th hitters due up next? Also the AI doesn't seem to warm up relievers, how can I fix this?

02-03-2019, 09:43 AM	#2
Hrycaj All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,751	There is no setting for the AI to warm up relievers. They just don't do it. I believe most players shut the warm up rules off for that very reason. As for formulas if you leave it on, I can't help you there. Safe to say you will always be at a disadvantage because you will just inherently forget to have guys warm at the right time all the time. It especially puts you at a disadvantage when your starter goes out with an injury early in a game. Now you have a cold guy going in that you could have never foreseen. __________________ Click on my signature to read about the great game of baseball in Normington. Last edited by Hrycaj; 02-03-2019 at 09:44 AM.

02-03-2019, 05:31 PM	#3
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	the game is incremental. i have not done this in a while, so i can't tell specifically .. an out? a PA? an ab? or, a pitch thrown at the smallest incremental step. now, the pitcher's stamina may relate, it may not... keeping it simple, but any deviation can be deduced too. it will be a specific amount of incremental steps before they are "warm". simply count them as you go and keep checking bullpen after each incremental step to see when their status changes to warm. a change of inning may not be the same weight as 1 pitch, fwiw... each step doesn't have to be eqaul, but for the most part it probably is. it still shows that info right? i recall it saying warm or getting tired etc... anyway, you do this a couple times to verify taht no other factor is relevant... if it varies, pay attnetion to stamina... if that still doesn't make sense it just might have some randomness built in for a bit of variance from one game to the next. if it's the latter, it can't be a huge difference. Last edited by NoOne; 02-03-2019 at 05:32 PM.

02-03-2019, 06:23 PM	#4
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,748	Thanks everyone. I will most likely turn warm-up off. In my experience when a pitcher is injured, the next pitcher is warm. As in real life, they get as much time as needed. Where can I find the menu for relievers settings?

02-03-2019, 08:31 PM	#5
DaBears All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 501	Sounds like you made your decision, but if it helps I do use the warmup rule. It may very well be that the AI does not use it, but that assumes the AI needs it. I'm not so sure about that. For me (and as discussed on this board repeatedly), the human manager has significant advantages over the AI so it makes the game more competitive to make it as real as possible for you. Don't Maddon and Cora have to warm up pitchers? Why on earth give yourself that type of advantage, whether it is "fair" or not? I manage games out and want it as realistic for me as possible. As far as your question on how it actually works, generally a RP needs about 3 batters to get there, particularly if you do a mound visit in there as well. Some will get warm after 2 batters, some can even take 4-5, although that is rare if you use the mound visit. Also, let's say you are the home team and decide to warm someone up in the bottom of the 7th while you are batting. Once they get warm (you may go 0-3 and it is quick, but you may get a rally going and have 4-9 batters come up), you can sit them immediately once it says "ready". When the inning ends, go into your team screen and move them to "warm up", and they will immediately or almost immediately be "ready" again. I do find, just as in real life, you can warm someone up twice before bringing them in but if you do it a third there is a penalty. If I warm a guy up twice and don't use him, that's it until tomorrow. Finally, you get to know your players within the OOTP system over the course of a season. It takes a couple of months into the season to get a feel for what differences there may be between your OOTP players and their real life tendencies. No doubt, the team does a great job of modeling players but they aren't going to get absolutely everything right - and players in real life change.

02-03-2019, 09:32 PM	#6
Bobfather All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Boston Ma. Posts: 1,748	You summed up most of my views on using relievers, and the warm up rule. I have tended to warm up someone at the beginning of my at bats, but I may not want to use him to the second batter, of the other team. So sometimes they end up being tired. On the other hand I try to wait a couple of batters/ outs, but I forget. One other trick if I plan to bring in a reliever at the beginning of the inning, I warm him up and as soon as he is ready, I put him in the game even if I'm still at bat. And it works.

02-03-2019, 10:12 PM	#7
DaBears All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 501	That's interesting on putting him in the game early. I play as NL teams so typically am aiming to either pinch hit or double switch, so might not work that often. This is MUCH better in 19 than it was in 18 when introduced. There, they wore themselves out but in 19 I don't really see that. A guy can stay ready for quite a while and when you bring him in there is no noticeable effect. I have been very pleased with the system overall.

02-05-2019, 03:22 PM	#8
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	that setting is displayed when you first load a "play today's game". pre-game options etc...

02-05-2019, 04:46 PM	#9
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I recently turned the warm up rule back on for me just to make it a bit more challenging and making me have to think a little bit more. DaBears above made a lot of great points and gave a lot of good suggestions. For me, if i let a pitcher warm up I usually try to use him because that is how it works in real life, managers dont like to keep warming up and sitting guys and then not using them at all, but idk if it matters in ootp or not. While the AI managers dont use it , i think humans should keep it on as it keeps you sharp and gets you thinking more about the game situation, and your team just like an actual manager does. but everyone should do what they want