Team playing ONLY rank 40 Players?

[Nostradumbass]

There is a team in my league playing ONLY rank 40 players. Is this considered cheating? or at least game-breaking somehow? they are currently 1-46 and basically gifting PP to every other team they play.

I played them in the play in round and beat them 28-1 and got roughly 7k PP from just one game.

I did hit the report team button during the play in round but now that they are in a regular league playing teams on a regular basis , I think it gives teams in that conference a huge advantage.

The league they are currently in is Bronze.313

[MJMCP]

That's my second team. I was legitimately curious to see if losing every single game was possible. Alas, I won another one 2-1.

For what it's worth the team passes the "sanity check" they put in place; it's not like the game allows me to make position players pitch. I am playing mostly light-hitting catchers at all of the other positions in order to optimize futility.

Again, the attempt isn't really to help other players out so much as it is to record a "perfect" season. If my doing this helps to refine the game some in preventing people from funneling PP to other players on purpose -- definitely not my intent here -- then I'm happy to have helped.

I would just hate to have the CarlFitzpatrick account shut down since I do plan to field a real team next season with the rookie Carlton Fisk I just pulled.

[ArcAngel]

Originally Posted by MJMCP

... I was legitimately curious to see if losing every single game was possible...

I tried this same idea in a non-PT league.

Filled my entire organization with 15 to 17 year olds.

After 5 seasons, I gave up as I managed to win at least 1 game in each of the seasons, leading me to believe that OOTP is coded so that going 0-162 is not possible.

[old timer]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

I tried this same idea in a non-PT league.

Filled my entire organization with 15 to 17 year olds.

After 5 seasons, I gave up as I managed to win at least 1 game in each of the seasons, leading me to believe that OOTP is coded so that going 0-162 is not possible.

Coding the game to keep a team from losing all games (or winning them all) doesn't make much sense. Why would they add special code to make this happen?

Speaking of which... Here's a link to a post of mine about an AI team in a solo league of mine that went 86-0 (including the post-season). I would imagine that if they had played a 162 game schedule, they would have lost at least once, but that would only be because of chance, not the game preventing it (in my opinion, of course).

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by MJMCP

That's my second team. I was legitimately curious to see if losing every single game was possible. Alas, I won another one 2-1.

For what it's worth the team passes the "sanity check" they put in place; it's not like the game allows me to make position players pitch. I am playing mostly light-hitting catchers at all of the other positions in order to optimize futility.

Again, the attempt isn't really to help other players out so much as it is to record a "perfect" season. If my doing this helps to refine the game some in preventing people from funneling PP to other players on purpose -- definitely not my intent here -- then I'm happy to have helped.



I would just hate to have the CarlFitzpatrick account shut down since I do plan to field a real team next season with the rookie Carlton Fisk I just pulled.

Intentionally or not you are hurting other players. Teams in your division get to play your intentional losing team 19 times. Teams in other divisions and especially in the other conference get to play you maybe zero times. That is a big difference in opportunities to win PP. You are also cheating every other team in every league in PT by "giving away" PP to the select few.

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by MJMCP

That's my second team. I was legitimately curious to see if losing every single game was possible. Alas, I won another one 2-1.

For what it's worth the team passes the "sanity check" they put in place; it's not like the game allows me to make position players pitch. I am playing mostly light-hitting catchers at all of the other positions in order to optimize futility.

Again, the attempt isn't really to help other players out so much as it is to record a "perfect" season. If my doing this helps to refine the game some in preventing people from funneling PP to other players on purpose -- definitely not my intent here -- then I'm happy to have helped.

I would just hate to have the CarlFitzpatrick account shut down since I do plan to field a real team next season with the rookie Carlton Fisk I just pulled.

This needs to be shut down. Try out your experiments in regular ootp, not here where you are gifting points to other teams

[Abnerdoubleday]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

Intentionally or not you are hurting other players. Teams in your division get to play your intentional losing team 19 times. Teams in other divisions and especially in the other conference get to play you maybe zero times. That is a big difference in opportunities to win PP. You are also cheating every other team in every league in PT by "giving away" PP to the select few.

By that logic all the unmanaged teams hurt the players managing their teams. Or that purchasing points (really, permitted cheating) hurt the players who aren't purchasing points.

On the other hand, a few teams will do better than expected and get extra pp this week, but some of those teams will then get prematurely promoted and get fewer pp next week.


Maybe going 0-162 should be a gold level achievement.

[Nostradumbass]

Originally Posted by Abnerdoubleday

By that logic all the unmanaged teams hurt the players managing their teams. Or that purchasing points (really, permitted cheating) hurt the players who aren't purchasing points.

Teams that use only their starting pack players aren't intentionally trying to lose necessarily. There is a difference between not being good (or realizing the game isn't your thing and stop updating your team) and intentionally trying to lose.

Also, there is huge difference between a rank 60 player playing his normal position, and playing already the lowest ranked possible players intentionally out of position.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Abnerdoubleday

By that logic all the unmanaged teams hurt the players managing their teams. Or that purchasing points (really, permitted cheating) hurt the players who aren't purchasing points.

On the other hand, a few teams will do better than expected and get extra pp this week, but some of those teams will then get prematurely promoted and get fewer pp next week.


Maybe going 0-162 should be a gold level achievement.

No. Unmanaged teams don't worry about injuries. An unmanaged team could win the WS with a little luck. Losing on purpose is way worse.

[freedavebrown]

This doesn´t bother me at all. Anyone who is actively managing their team should be able to set it up however they want. What if I want my team to be all Phillies players from day 1 so I sell all my non Phillies and buy all the Phillies I can on the AH and play those players only?

My team is unarguably worse than it would have been if I just let the AI set it up with my original players. Is it wrong that am I now "gifting" pp to other players?

What about the player that spends $1,000 on day one to try to win 150 games in a bronze level league? Then sells all the players and sits on the PP to get demoted back to bronze and try it again with a different combination of players? The other players in that players division in bronze are totally screwed.

PT is a game and supposed to be fun. If you wanna play around and have fun with it after paying for it you should be allowed to. It´s not like you are stuck in a division with anyone for more than one week of your actual life. Let people have fun.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by freedavebrown

This doesn´t bother me at all. Anyone who is actively managing their team should be able to set it up however they want. What if I want my team to be all Phillies players from day 1 so I sell all my non Phillies and buy all the Phillies I can on the AH and play those players only?

Not a good comparison... First, you aren't losing intentionally by have the worst of the worst players. Secondly, a theme team is typically competitive or at least putting up ERAs (giving up runs) in a reasonable manner. To put up the worse of the worse is to give the other team's PP at a rate that is far out of the norm. My all-Dodger team has not won it's division yet, but it doesn't get creamed game after game. The amount of PP given up is the difference maker.

[Abnerdoubleday]

Originally Posted by freedavebrown

What if I want my team to be all Phillies players from day 1 so I sell all my non Phillies and buy all the Phillies I can on the AH and play those players only?

Or the '62 Mets

[freedavebrown]

So if I wanted to try to win in a bronze league by playing only Bronze players thats OK? not OK? What if i really wanted a challenge and wanted to try to go .500 in a bronze league using only players ranked below 60. is that ok? It´s an impossible line drawing exercise.

BTW, I also have no problem with a team intentionally tanking out of a higher league to get to a lower league. Say I am in a Gold league and I have a really cool lineup of all silver players I want to try out in a silver league to see how I can compete. I have no problem at all with that player tanking into the silver league. It´s a game. The only thing they are doing is making other random teams a bit stronger. The divisions are randomly assigned so there is no way to game the system to benefit other teams you control. It´s a random temporary boost to some teams, who cares? If anything, more PP generated through games into the universe benefits players that don´t want to put money into the game.

I´d have no problem with teams that are not actively managed after say 2 full weeks being placed in a league together so that humans are not managing against ghost teams. But if you are managing your team you should be able to do it however you want within the lineup rules set up by the devs.

[zrog2000]

What part about intentionally trying to lose every single game not being fair because of the insane amount of PP being earned against that tanking team is difficult to understand? It's even worse than funneling PP from one team to another through the AH.

If you allow one team to do it, you'd have to allow every team to do it, and then it would be rampant. Would probably get a bunch of Robin Hood teams losing just to give other teams "gifts". That's just dumb and it would be the equivalent of giving some teams who get to play a tanking team 19 times a season more than $20 worth of PP I'd bet.

[Abnerdoubleday]

Originally Posted by zrog2000

What part about intentionally trying to lose every single game not being fair because of the insane amount of PP being earned against that tanking team is difficult to understand? It's even worse than funneling PP from one team to another through the AH.

If you allow one team to do it, you'd have to allow every team to do it, and then it would be rampant. Would probably get a bunch of Robin Hood teams losing just to give other teams "gifts". That's just dumb and it would be the equivalent of giving some teams who get to play a tanking team 19 times a season more than $20 worth of PP I'd bet.

I must be missing something here. Why would lots of people want to do this? What is the benefit to the terrible team?

[scott1964]

One of my pitchers is a 46 and he is doing quite well at 1-0, 1.69

[Nostradumbass]

Originally Posted by freedavebrown

So if I wanted to try to win in a bronze league by playing only Bronze players thats OK? not OK? What if i really wanted a challenge and wanted to try to go .500 in a bronze league using only players ranked below 60. is that ok? It´s an impossible line drawing exercise.
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You are trying to win, which is the difference. If there was no effect on the competitive balance on the other teams in his division/conference I wouldn't care if someone was trying to tank an entire season.

The key for me is the amount of PP his opponents are getting. Like I said in my OP in just 1 game against him in the placement round I earned roughly 7k PP. Not sure if the achievements I got for that game are repeatable or 1 time achievements, but let's say on average a team gets 3.5k PP per game vs the team. Over 1 season teams, in his division are getting 66k PP points in one season.

[freedavebrown]

Originally Posted by Nostradumbass

You are trying to win, which is the difference. If there was no effect on the competitive balance on the other teams in his division/conference I wouldn't care if someone was trying to tank an entire season.

The key for me is the amount of PP his opponents are getting. Like I said in my OP in just 1 game against him in the placement round I earned roughly 7k PP. Not sure if the achievements I got for that game are repeatable or 1 time achievements, but let's say on average a team gets 3.5k PP per game vs the team. Over 1 season teams, in his division are getting 66k PP points in one season.

The trying to win is irrelevant because it is unknowable. So if he was trying to win as many games as possible using only players ranked 40 thats fine. But because we happen to know that he is trying to lose then it is not fine?

[Maddox]

Did everyone miss this line from the post by the owner of this team.

I am playing mostly light-hitting catchers at all of the other positions in order to optimize futility.

If you have a 50 rated catcher playing SS then that is a big difference from playing a 50 rated SS at his regular position.

It is not about having a bad team or trying to construct an all-bronze team for a challenge. It is obvious that if you have backup catchers in all three outfield positions that you are not even making an attempt to win.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Maddox

Did everyone miss this line from the post by the owner of this team.



If you have a 50 rated catcher playing SS then that is a big difference from playing a 50 rated SS at his regular position.

It is not about having a bad team or trying to construct an all-bronze team for a challenge. It is obvious that if you have backup catchers in all three outfield positions that you are not even making an attempt to win.

And then you end up getting the oddballs who would say "I made a backup catcher theme team".