Maxing out. Are golds and diamonds too common?

[One Post Wonder]

Going through the AH, by and large, doesn't have the same thrill for me as it did 2 weeks ago. The reason being, I've pretty much got the team I want now. There are players with higher ratings out there who *might* be slightly better, but short of buying perfect players there isn't much more I can do. Win or lose, I've generally got the guy I want at each spot.

I don't think the general F2P population has this problem yet. I played the AH a lot at the beginning which allowed me to build a team fairly quickly. But I was wondering if those of you who bought PP are hitting the same ceiling now?

Of course, this is going to happen to everyone in a game like this at some point, but I haven't been playing that long. I feel like I should still have a fair amount of building left to do at this time.

How do you all feel about the rarity of the various cards? I get the impression that things might be better if everything were made rarer by at least 1 notch, maybe even 2. Make bronzes at least as rare as silvers are now, silvers as golds... etc. It will keep prices higher at the AH and keep general Iron/Bronze cards in play a little longer.

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Going through the AH, by and large, doesn't have the same thrill for me as it did 2 weeks ago. The reason being, I've pretty much got the team I want now. There are players with higher ratings out there who *might* be slightly better, but short of buying perfect players there isn't much more I can do. Win or lose, I've generally got the guy I want at each spot.

I don't think the general F2P population has this problem yet. I played the AH a lot at the beginning which allowed me to build a team fairly quickly. But I was wondering if those of you who bought PP are hitting the same ceiling now?

Of course, this is going to happen to everyone in a game like this at some point, but I haven't been playing that long. I feel like I should still have a fair amount of building left to do at this time.

How do you all feel about the rarity of the various cards? I get the impression that things might be better if everything were made rarer by at least 1 notch, maybe even 2. Make bronzes at least as rare as silvers are now, silvers as golds... etc. It will keep prices higher at the AH and keep general Iron/Bronze cards in play a little longer.

I vote no. I just, minutes ago, pulled my first Gold card since my starter pack. I have no desire to flip cards on the auction house and my team, while not terrible does not earn many points. I have not earned enough achievements this season to buy a pack yet, let alone make a serious bid on a high gold or better player.

[NYY #23]

Just wait until next week, then you can start all over. I'm not quite where you are, but I'm pretty happy with my team. Upgrades are rarer, but I do enjoy the feeling of a little bit of stability.

I do know payouts have been adjusted, odds have been tweaked, and other things have been adjusted in the beta. I may be in the minority, but hopefully that slows things down a little bit, and people need to rely on lower levels a bit longer.

[Orcin]

Don't forget the bug that allowed people to open unlimited packs until it was fixed. We have no idea how long that was active and how many packs were opened. So we really don't know how rare diamonds will be in the final version.

[joehart]

I posted similar impressions the other day:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=295410

With just a little investment, the team quickly climbed to what I was hoping to eventually have in the long run (many month from now or maybe never).
Unfortunately, it happened within just a few days.

Because of this quick climb, I lost all interest and just glance at the performance of that particular team here and there. Essentially, I am waiting for the playoffs to come around.

Personally, I would have also made the odds much worse; even more than what you suggested. But that is just me taking a very different approach towards the game. Whales should be the players willing to spend in excess of $1000+

It is just a matter of approaches and I am sure the DEV team discussed the various approaches. In other words, I think the current odds allow more casual players get the players on their wish list much quicker.

Example, if you look at a game like Marvel Puzzle quest, the top players invest thousands of dollars to have a top team. However, it also draws much criticism because lower level players just can't ever reach that level and eventually lose all interest.

Finding the perfect balance is quite difficult and there may not be any quick panacea.

My solution to keep an interest in PT was to establish organizational limitations.
One of the teams is bronze and below and I find myself spending all my time looking at that team and trying to compete with better and richer teams.
By now, I looked at almost every single player in that level and build an extensive reserve roster to meet certain strategies.

After the reset, I plan to do

1. re-do the Bronze and lower team.
2. have a team that can't use players below 74 (or 79).
3. have a Bronze level team + the players from the initial packs.
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Markus also hinted at some OOTP20 tournaments to help keep our interest longer than just a few weeks.

[Kushiel]

The packs do not need nerfed more at this time. It is much harder already with the needed tweaks that were implemented. Some people bore easily. If you are already ignoring it, then you possibly would be bored soon anyway. When many of the people that were very lucky or took advantage of the bug get bored, things will stabilize for everybody else. Then after some time has passed after the real start they could look again.I promise that many people have not enjoyed such good luck to aid any skill they may possess and do not want a Nerf. I would venture to say those people far outnumber the ones that the Great Game's Gods have shined their ever loving light upon. I have been lucky and I see teams in every league that were not so much.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by joehart

After the reset, I plan to do

1. re-do the Bronze and lower team.
2. have a team that can't use players below 74 (or 79).
3. have a Bronze level team + the players from the initial packs.
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Markus also hinted at some OOTP20 tournaments to help keep our interest longer than just a few weeks.

I wouldn't say I've lost interest, but I do like your plan after the reset. After seeing your bronze or lower I started taking a look, and I'm thinking of doing something similar myself with a team. Was actually thinking about doing something like starting with a team where everyone was 40, and only being able to upgrade one level at a time. Maybe only x number of upgrades a month(day). Seems like a fun challenge, and a way to get to look for value at lower levels.

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by joehart

After the reset, I plan to do

1. re-do the Bronze and lower team.
2. have a team that can't use players below 74 (or 79).
3. have a Bronze level team + the players from the initial packs.
…

Markus also hinted at some OOTP20 tournaments to help keep our interest longer than just a few weeks.

Yes, I probably won't play after the reset in the same way I played the Beta either. Here, I knew we had a limited amount of time so i was just trying to win and get promoted as fast as I could. After the reset I'll move at a more leisurely pace, keep 400 players on my inactive list, and try things out.

Besides, if I wanted to just get promoted as fast as possible then my PT experience would just be trying to collect the same players that I already have.

I might just screw around, too. I want to have a season where I focus absolutely everything on making my team ERA as low as possible.

I'll have to see what comes out tournament-wise. I might focus entirely on tournament play if I see one that I really, really like. Perhaps that is where the real potential is in PT.

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

The packs do not need nerfed more at this time. It is much harder already with the needed tweaks that were implemented.

It's hard to say if this would really be nerfing packs though. Yes, you'd have less chance of getting a higher level card, but when you did it would have a much bigger payoff.

It only feels like nerfing now because the supply was already out there when the pack odds were tweaked.

[Kushiel]

Whatever words that we use, the odds were lowered.

[Kushiel]

I just say to let it pan out some after we go live.

[Dogberry99]

I am of the opinion (or of the hope, at any rate) that the various tournaments will 100% be the most interesting aspect of PT. It will also shape our reserve roster, and has the potential to create boom-bust cycles on the market if people have enough time prior to a tournament starting to shop specifically for it.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Right now there are too many quality cards in the wild. We had a bug which gave unlimited packs for a brief time, we had buggy achievement payouts and different odds than we have now. So, when we launch next week things will look different than it does today

[uschi_baerchen]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Right now there are too many quality cards in the wild. We had a bug which gave unlimited packs for a brief time, we had buggy achievement payouts and different odds than we have now. So, when we launch next week things will look different than it does today

I mean, in my league there was a Team with 2 perfect Cards and some other Platin . The 2 perfect should have a combined probability of 1 in Million. And then I bought Goldy for 4001 PP and I thougt it was just taking proper opportunity to get two perfects for, say 25.000 PP (and stupid for that matter, you could get a Ricky Henderson for less than 2000 ... and Goldy for 4000 and Whit Merrifield for less than 500, that adds up to 9 WAR give and take were the sweet water fish gives you 5 WAR). Anyway, the variance is much lower than in OOTP19 (there is almost no regular batting 1.000+ OPS), so even with the exploitation of the bug the leagues were quite competetive and I am looking Forward to a game without exploitable bugs.

[ASURay]

I opened 10 packs today (6 free + 1 bought with free 1,000 PP + 3 bought with proceeds from selling 5 of the 6 gold players I got in the first 7 packs). I pulled a 100 Trout, a 100 Betts, and a 98 Arenado. A few hours into the official game and my OF is 83 Adell/100 Trout/100 Betts. Not bad.

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by ASURay

I opened 10 packs today (6 free + 1 bought with free 1,000 PP + 3 bought with proceeds from selling 5 of the 6 gold players I got in the first 7 packs). I pulled a 100 Trout, a 100 Betts, and a 98 Arenado. A few hours into the official game and my OF is 83 Adell/100 Trout/100 Betts. Not bad.

You're not fooling me Ramone!


Oh wait, wrong game.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by ASURay

I opened 10 packs today (6 free + 1 bought with free 1,000 PP + 3 bought with proceeds from selling 5 of the 6 gold players I got in the first 7 packs). I pulled a 100 Trout, a 100 Betts, and a 98 Arenado. A few hours into the official game and my OF is 83 Adell/100 Trout/100 Betts. Not bad.

Damn. I've opened a ton of packs (thanks to whoever bought Altuve for 15k), and other than that Altuve, the only gold+ I got were Minter and Gregorius, and those were both from gold packs. Wish I had your luck...

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by ASURay

I opened 10 packs today (6 free + 1 bought with free 1,000 PP + 3 bought with proceeds from selling 5 of the 6 gold players I got in the first 7 packs). I pulled a 100 Trout, a 100 Betts, and a 98 Arenado. A few hours into the official game and my OF is 83 Adell/100 Trout/100 Betts. Not bad.

So you got a standard pack with a bronze and five gold? Sure.

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by Westheim

So you got a standard pack with a bronze and five gold? Sure.

No. I got 5 gold cards in the first 6 packs. All were low golds in the 80-83 range (a few relievers, a Realmuto, Jo Adell, and something else). The pack I bought with my free 1,000 PP had a Trout plus another gold card (another reliever). I then sold 5 of the 6 gold cards I had (kept the Jo Adell card I mentioned) and bought three more packs (plus some lesser cards in the AH). The three new packs I opened yielded a Betts, an Arenado, and a Carlos Martinez (which I am also selling).

[ASURay]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Damn. I've opened a ton of packs (thanks to whoever bought Altuve for 15k), and other than that Altuve, the only gold+ I got were Minter and Gregorius, and those were both from gold packs. Wish I had your luck...

I opened dozens of packs in the beta (including a bunch on the last day after selling almost all the cards I had accumulated) and never got a diamond or perfect. I think I only pulled maybe 6 or 7 golds out of all those packs. The only diamond card I had in the beta was a 92 Nola which (a) is kind of a garbage card and (b) was purchased through the AH because someone had a pretty low buy now price on it.