Players attributes

Spartacus70 · 10-25-2018, 08:48 PM

I know that the manual have a description of the diffentes attributes.
But is it possible to have access to the rational datas used for determining the attributes?
I mean in early stages of game, FHM 14 and FHM2, you gived some informations.http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=235153

I know Jeff, you already said to me 2-3 months ago that you dont have plan for developping the editor for now. And I understand.

My asking is more like having access to some king of a table (or tables) for helping those like my in creating players.

Like : AGGRESSION
25 = 400 PenMs
24 =
23 =
22 =
21 =
20 =180 PenMs

I'm already aware that the game evolved a lot (in very good ways), but even that there is some interconnexions between somme attributes for stats productions, at lease the rough numbers will be appreciated.

Spartacus70 · 11-02-2018, 01:59 PM

Hi! Is there someone who can answer if it possible to have more detailed informations related to attributes?

Spartacus70 · 11-16-2018, 08:43 AM

Hello! Can someone answer if it is in your plan to give more detailed informations about attributes? The text explanations are ok for the regular players, but for the stats gurus it will be helpfull to have generals gidances in terms of wich stats numbers the attributes are derived from.

JeffR · 11-17-2018, 01:45 AM

It's not as simple as saying what rating will result in a particular statistical result. Mark Borowiecki, who doesn't have a particularly high aggression number, tends to lead the league in PIM because of the context he's in, the toughest guy on an Ottawa team with not much else in the way of tough players. Almost all of the stats are like that, the product of many different ratings (both those of the player and his opponents and teammates) interacting together.

Spartacus70 · 11-21-2018, 03:21 PM

First thanks for the time you toked for answering my different posts.

Don't worry, I'm aware that hockey is a dynamic collective sport. It's not baseball in regard to stats.
But even that said, the differents attributes have to derive from somewhere. Injury have to be in relation to games missed (adding all level of play), AGR, TEM and sportmanship in relation to PIMs and fights etc.
Of course the basics numbers have to be put in relation with the avg of every season and compared with a year of reference and position/line/TOTI/level of competition. You have a good relation with hockey reference, so I assuming you know their adjusted points formula. Hockey Abstract push it farther. I worked an an advanced Excell sheet for equalizing stats as much as possible.
So yes I'm aware that is not simple at all, and because you have to produced a century of data, I cannot expect that everything can be right away totally consistent in terms of attributes distribution.

Please don't see here a complain. I'm not frustrated or negative about your product. FHM 5 is already a great accomplishment and towards in the good direction. But even a gem with great potential have to be polished. I supporting you since the beginning and if I was more in the shadow for years it was because I patiently wait that the software evolved sufficiently before talking about statistical details.

I'm just a member of the growing FHM community who want to humbly contributing to the evolution of the game. Some contributes with facegen production others with other graphical contributions.
I would like to help benevolently to better represent, statistically speaking, the different players over history.
But for that I just need to better understand the relative correlation of stats and attributes.

Thanks in advance for the reading.

10-25-2018, 08:48 PM	#1
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 208	Players attributes I know that the manual have a description of the diffentes attributes. But is it possible to have access to the rational datas used for determining the attributes? I mean in early stages of game, FHM 14 and FHM2, you gived some informations.http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=235153 I know Jeff, you already said to me 2-3 months ago that you dont have plan for developping the editor for now. And I understand. My asking is more like having access to some king of a table (or tables) for helping those like my in creating players. Like : AGGRESSION 25 = 400 PenMs 24 = 23 = 22 = 21 = 20 =180 PenMs I'm already aware that the game evolved a lot (in very good ways), but even that there is some interconnexions between somme attributes for stats productions, at lease the rough numbers will be appreciated.

11-21-2018, 03:21 PM	#5
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 208	First thanks for the time you toked for answering my different posts. Don't worry, I'm aware that hockey is a dynamic collective sport. It's not baseball in regard to stats. But even that said, the differents attributes have to derive from somewhere. Injury have to be in relation to games missed (adding all level of play), AGR, TEM and sportmanship in relation to PIMs and fights etc. Of course the basics numbers have to be put in relation with the avg of every season and compared with a year of reference and position/line/TOTI/level of competition. You have a good relation with hockey reference, so I assuming you know their adjusted points formula. Hockey Abstract push it farther. I worked an an advanced Excell sheet for equalizing stats as much as possible. So yes I'm aware that is not simple at all, and because you have to produced a century of data, I cannot expect that everything can be right away totally consistent in terms of attributes distribution. Please don't see here a complain. I'm not frustrated or negative about your product. FHM 5 is already a great accomplishment and towards in the good direction. But even a gem with great potential have to be polished. I supporting you since the beginning and if I was more in the shadow for years it was because I patiently wait that the software evolved sufficiently before talking about statistical details. I'm just a member of the growing FHM community who want to humbly contributing to the evolution of the game. Some contributes with facegen production others with other graphical contributions. I would like to help benevolently to better represent, statistically speaking, the different players over history. But for that I just need to better understand the relative correlation of stats and attributes. Thanks in advance for the reading. Last edited by Spartacus70; 11-21-2018 at 03:22 PM.

11-02-2018, 01:59 PM	#2
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 208	Hi! Is there someone who can answer if it possible to have more detailed informations related to attributes?

11-16-2018, 08:43 AM	#3
Spartacus70 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Sao Paulo, Brasil Posts: 208	Hello! Can someone answer if it is in your plan to give more detailed informations about attributes? The text explanations are ok for the regular players, but for the stats gurus it will be helpfull to have generals gidances in terms of wich stats numbers the attributes are derived from.

11-17-2018, 01:45 AM	#4
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,433	It's not as simple as saying what rating will result in a particular statistical result. Mark Borowiecki, who doesn't have a particularly high aggression number, tends to lead the league in PIM because of the context he's in, the toughest guy on an Ottawa team with not much else in the way of tough players. Almost all of the stats are like that, the product of many different ratings (both those of the player and his opponents and teammates) interacting together.