Question/concern about Perfect Team

Germaniac · 11-04-2018, 05:05 AM

So the start was very promising and I was infected with "PT Fever", too

But what will happen once we all will have improved our teams with better and better players from new packs?

At some point most or all of us will field All-Star teams and there won't be much of a difference between the teams.

Or am I missing something?

redmoss2 · 11-04-2018, 07:48 AM

I'm interested in this too; one of the things I will personally aim for is to build a Cubs-only team. I'm not overly worried about being super-competitive, but it will be interesting to see what the 'meta' looks like after Beta is complete for those who do.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 07:48 AM

Yes, you are missing the multi-tiered league system with the 5 levels (Majors, AAA, AA, A, Rookie).

That will make sure you will always be in a league level where your team is competetive. And if you have an All-Star team and up there, you sure will be facing a challenge.

ELDoro · 11-04-2018, 09:37 AM

In EA's Ultimate modes and The Show's Diamond Dynasty teams always ended up being completely made up of Legends, meaning everyone's team was basically the same. I hated it.

With Perfect Team if this ends up being the same then what will be the point of continuing to play the mode? Just set your lineup/rotations against others than also have stacked teams and have all planning and strategy pointless?

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELDoro

In EA's Ultimate modes and The Show's Diamond Dynasty teams always ended up being completely made up of Legends, meaning everyone's team was basically the same. I hated it.

With Perfect Team if this ends up being the same then what will be the point of continuing to play the mode? Just set your lineup/rotations against others than also have stacked teams and have all planning and strategy pointless?

If you play against other stacked teams then planning and strategy will be the exact opposite of pointless, it will be what differentiates you from the other teams. If you play against teams that have a similar talent level as yours, you need to do better at optimizing your strategy than the others in order to have an advantage

ELDoro · 11-04-2018, 09:52 AM

I guess I didn't explain it well.

Basically in those modes all the stacked teams were exactly the same players for the most part. At least in those games you actually played out the baseball games so there is skill involved there.

In OOTP is it gunna come down to should the top of my lineup consist of:
1.Mantle
2. Williams
3. Ruth

or
1.Williams
2. Ruth
3.Mantle
?

And the team I'm playing concerned with the same question?

waylander · 11-04-2018, 10:03 AM

A couple of thoughts.

Unless you are purchasing packs, I don't see progression going fast enough for all the worlds to be stocked with Ruth's and Mantle's. Because:

I'm assuming each release of OOTP will coincide with a wipe of your roster.. This will help by resetting everyone to square 1. Similar cycle occurs in madden ultimate team.. by end of year just about everyone is rocking average rosters in the high 90's if not 99. Then boom everyone is back to a 70 average.

mlstarr · 11-04-2018, 10:05 AM

Kind of along the same lines, is there any upcoming purpose for common cards (really all lower tier cards) we collect? Something along the lines of official collections with unique rewards or minor stats boosts once a collection is complete?

I absolutely love Perfect Team. The only thing I find myself wondering is what I'll put all my reserve cards toward in the end.

jkdhoo · 11-04-2018, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waylander

A couple of thoughts.

Unless you are purchasing packs, I don't see progression going fast enough for all the worlds to be stocked with Ruth's and Mantle's. Because:

I'm assuming each release of OOTP will coincide with a wipe of your roster.. This will help by resetting everyone to square 1. Similar cycle occurs in madden ultimate team.. by end of year just about everyone is rocking average rosters in the high 90's if not 99. Then boom everyone is back to a 70 average.

Hmm.. one of the things I'm looking the most forward to is the collection aspect. If they wipe the cards out every year, that will reduce my interest in the game mode quite a bit.

Orcin · 11-04-2018, 10:20 AM

There will be rewards for collections at some point, probably in the form of achievements granting PP. There will also be specialty tournaments for teams made up from within your collection, such as all historical or all from one team. These will use common cards.

Maddox · 11-04-2018, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELDoro

I guess I didn't explain it well.

Basically in those modes all the stacked teams were exactly the same players for the most part. At least in those games you actually played out the baseball games so there is skill involved there.

In OOTP is it gunna come down to should the top of my lineup consist of:
1.Mantle
2. Williams
3. Ruth

or
1.Williams
2. Ruth
3.Mantle
?

And the team I'm playing concerned with the same question?

I'd be surprised if this became the norm, but maybe I am underestimating how many PP people can gain in a season.

As of right now, as far as I can see, there are only 2 ways to earn get these "perfect cards".

The first would be to pull them from a pack. But there is a 1:1000 chance of that
The second is to buy them outright off the auction house, but how often will these cards be put up for auction by players who were lucky enough to pull them?

In MLB: The Show for Example, everyone with enough time and effort could field a team of Immortals. Everyone could earn Babe Ruth if they wanted.

In this game, at least from what I have seen, you can't earn Babe Ruth. Somebody has to be lucky enough to pull him in a pack and then also be willing to sell the card. With perfect cards being a 1:1000 chance most players will never pull one at all.

Airdrop01 · 11-04-2018, 10:54 AM

Bro, it’s a fun game. Truly.

But if you think there will be a shortage of people buying points for even better cards and thus a shortage of auctions you’re nuts. Threads all over this forum already are using terms like “addictive” as a matter of weird pride almost.

It’s by design.

Cactusguy21 · 11-04-2018, 11:06 AM

I wouldn't necessarily say that it will be all Ruth/Mantle/Williams, but yes, most every card in the upper leagues is going to be 90+,, in my opinion.

Plus we have to take into account that since you still have to buy the game to play perfect team, we won't have a huge number of newbies coming in at all times, thus even the lower leagues will probably be silver cards and up by the time the year is done. Plus you don't have to check in on the game to get coins, which is the single greatest strength of the game, but it also means that everyone is going to be able to buy a lot of stuff.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELDoro

I guess I didn't explain it well.

Basically in those modes all the stacked teams were exactly the same players for the most part. At least in those games you actually played out the baseball games so there is skill involved there.

In OOTP is it gunna come down to should the top of my lineup consist of:
1.Mantle
2. Williams
3. Ruth

or
1.Williams
2. Ruth
3.Mantle
?

And the team I'm playing concerned with the same question?

That will probably not happen, we have far more cards than MLB the Show has...

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlstarr

Kind of along the same lines, is there any upcoming purpose for common cards (really all lower tier cards) we collect? Something along the lines of official collections with unique rewards or minor stats boosts once a collection is complete?

I absolutely love Perfect Team. The only thing I find myself wondering is what I'll put all my reserve cards toward in the end.

Yes, we will have collection missions in OOTP 20

Brishan · 11-04-2018, 12:39 PM

One way to possibly ensure variability and strategic decision making would be to have cards assigned a point value with obviously the higher the point assignment the better the player. Then, set a maximum combined point total for fielding a team for a game which is set to ensure no player "stacking" is possible. Then the manager needs to mix and match to set what they think will be the most competitive team for the game. The max point setting could be tiered across the levels of play to ensure variability and competitiveness in each level of play. This way no one can just use Mantle, Williams, Ruth, Koufax, etc. in every game. It would take some serious play testing to determine the sweet spot for a max points setting to reduce the ability for stacking a lineup with superstars however and probably not viable at this stage of the game but just a thought on how to avoid what has been discussed.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brishan

One way to possibly ensure variability and strategic decision making would be to have cards assigned a point value with obviously the higher the point assignment the better the player. Then, set a maximum combined point total for fielding a team for a game which is set to ensure no player "stacking" is possible.

We will have this with the tournaments feature which we will introduce for OOTP 20

We'll have many different tournaments with many different rules, with a maximum player card value being one of them.

BusterKing · 11-04-2018, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brishan

One way to possibly ensure variability and strategic decision making would be to have cards assigned a point value with obviously the higher the point assignment the better the player. Then, set a maximum combined point total for fielding a team for a game which is set to ensure no player "stacking" is possible. Then the manager needs to mix and match to set what they think will be the most competitive team for the game. The max point setting could be tiered across the levels of play to ensure variability and competitiveness in each level of play. This way no one can just use Mantle, Williams, Ruth, Koufax, etc. in every game. It would take some serious play testing to determine the sweet spot for a max points setting to reduce the ability for stacking a lineup with superstars however and probably not viable at this stage of the game but just a thought on how to avoid what has been discussed.

This could work but I would add no duplication of players. They need to make it so that you can't stack your team.

Markus Heinsohn · 11-04-2018, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterKing

They need to make it so that you can't stack your team.

Well, that would defy the very concept of the PT league system.

As I said above, we will have tournaments in OOTP 20 which will suit your personal taste better

el_gringo · 11-04-2018, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That will probably not happen, we have far more cards than MLB the Show has...

And can always add more if things get too stale

Also, to the original point: I think Mantle/Williams/Ruth/[Anyone] is inferior to Ichiro/Mays/Trout/Ruth, at least in my park, because Mantle and Williams can't run or field with the best of them like my dream OF/1-3 core can. Give everyone infinite PP, you'd still get different matchups each game. A true mirror matchup would be relatively rare, though not unheard of.

It might be a lot of diamond/perfect at the upper levels, but that doesn't necessarily mean identical.

11-04-2018, 05:05 AM	#1
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,070	Question/concern about Perfect Team So the start was very promising and I was infected with "PT Fever", too But what will happen once we all will have improved our teams with better and better players from new packs? At some point most or all of us will field All-Star teams and there won't be much of a difference between the teams. Or am I missing something? __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

11-04-2018, 07:48 AM	#3
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Yes, you are missing the multi-tiered league system with the 5 levels (Majors, AAA, AA, A, Rookie). That will make sure you will always be in a league level where your team is competetive. And if you have an All-Star team and up there, you sure will be facing a challenge. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

11-04-2018, 09:37 AM	#4
ELDoro All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 535	In EA's Ultimate modes and The Show's Diamond Dynasty teams always ended up being completely made up of Legends, meaning everyone's team was basically the same. I hated it. With Perfect Team if this ends up being the same then what will be the point of continuing to play the mode? Just set your lineup/rotations against others than also have stacked teams and have all planning and strategy pointless? __________________ MLNB Commish: https://statsplus.net/mlnb/

11-04-2018, 09:52 AM	#6
ELDoro All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 535	I guess I didn't explain it well. Basically in those modes all the stacked teams were exactly the same players for the most part. At least in those games you actually played out the baseball games so there is skill involved there. In OOTP is it gunna come down to should the top of my lineup consist of: 1.Mantle 2. Williams 3. Ruth or 1.Williams 2. Ruth 3.Mantle ? And the team I'm playing concerned with the same question? __________________ MLNB Commish: https://statsplus.net/mlnb/

11-04-2018, 10:54 AM	#12
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	Bro, it’s a fun game. Truly. But if you think there will be a shortage of people buying points for even better cards and thus a shortage of auctions you’re nuts. Threads all over this forum already are using terms like “addictive” as a matter of weird pride almost. It’s by design. __________________ Last edited by Airdrop01; 11-04-2018 at 11:12 AM.

11-04-2018, 07:48 AM	#2
redmoss2 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 42	I'm interested in this too; one of the things I will personally aim for is to build a Cubs-only team. I'm not overly worried about being super-competitive, but it will be interesting to see what the 'meta' looks like after Beta is complete for those who do.

11-04-2018, 10:03 AM	#7
waylander Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 123	A couple of thoughts. Unless you are purchasing packs, I don't see progression going fast enough for all the worlds to be stocked with Ruth's and Mantle's. Because: I'm assuming each release of OOTP will coincide with a wipe of your roster.. This will help by resetting everyone to square 1. Similar cycle occurs in madden ultimate team.. by end of year just about everyone is rocking average rosters in the high 90's if not 99. Then boom everyone is back to a 70 average.

11-04-2018, 10:05 AM	#8
mlstarr Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 4	Kind of along the same lines, is there any upcoming purpose for common cards (really all lower tier cards) we collect? Something along the lines of official collections with unique rewards or minor stats boosts once a collection is complete? I absolutely love Perfect Team. The only thing I find myself wondering is what I'll put all my reserve cards toward in the end.

11-04-2018, 10:20 AM	#10
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,850	There will be rewards for collections at some point, probably in the form of achievements granting PP. There will also be specialty tournaments for teams made up from within your collection, such as all historical or all from one team. These will use common cards.

11-04-2018, 11:06 AM	#13
Cactusguy21 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 332	I wouldn't necessarily say that it will be all Ruth/Mantle/Williams, but yes, most every card in the upper leagues is going to be 90+,, in my opinion. Plus we have to take into account that since you still have to buy the game to play perfect team, we won't have a huge number of newbies coming in at all times, thus even the lower leagues will probably be silver cards and up by the time the year is done. Plus you don't have to check in on the game to get coins, which is the single greatest strength of the game, but it also means that everyone is going to be able to buy a lot of stuff.

11-04-2018, 12:39 PM	#16
Brishan Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 14	One way to possibly ensure variability and strategic decision making would be to have cards assigned a point value with obviously the higher the point assignment the better the player. Then, set a maximum combined point total for fielding a team for a game which is set to ensure no player "stacking" is possible. Then the manager needs to mix and match to set what they think will be the most competitive team for the game. The max point setting could be tiered across the levels of play to ensure variability and competitiveness in each level of play. This way no one can just use Mantle, Williams, Ruth, Koufax, etc. in every game. It would take some serious play testing to determine the sweet spot for a max points setting to reduce the ability for stacking a lineup with superstars however and probably not viable at this stage of the game but just a thought on how to avoid what has been discussed.