The NCAA needs to die, Reason #25349

[Cobra Mgr]

Pick up soccer game w/the Foo FIghters leads to NCAA sanctions.

[damientheomen3]

It's not because they played with the Foo Fighters, it's because they played with the coaches. Practice limitations are important to prevent situations like what happened at the University of Maryland, especially in a sport as tiring and demanding of endurance as soccer. Also the penalties assessed weren't harsh at all, a few players will have to miss two 'supervised team activities'. The NCAA often oversteps their bounds but in this case I find their stance agreeable considering the punishment levied.

Not to derail the thread, but anyone that feels like getting up-in-arms over NCAA misdealings should look into SB Nation's Youtube 4-part documentary 'foul play'. It covers the Hugh Freeze Ole Miss recruiting scandal, very thorough and well-done.

[Cobra Mgr]

I never said it was because they played with the Foo FIghters. I said the impromptu game LED to sanctions.

And I know exactly what the rules are for. I also know this pickup game wasn't for practice, player evaluation, or to get a jump on the season. The NCAA knows it as well. That's what the rule was made for. These were people having dreaded, dastardly, immoral, disgusting, filthy, "how-dare-they!!" fun. The fact any entity would be forced to go thru the motions of such a trivial, insignificant event is good reason for the organization to be dissolved. Leave some frikkin' room for common sense for Pete's sake.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I never said it was because they played with the Foo FIghters. I said the impromptu game LED to sanctions.

And I know exactly what the rules are for. I also know this pickup game wasn't for practice, player evaluation, or to get a jump on the season. The NCAA knows it as well. That's what the rule was made for. These were people having dreaded, dastardly, immoral, disgusting, filthy, "how-dare-they!!" fun. The fact any entity would be forced to go thru the motions of such a trivial, insignificant event is good reason for the organization to be dissolved. Leave some frikkin' room for common sense for Pete's sake.

Fair enough. Maybe the suspended players will play an impromptu practice game on the days they can't take part in team activities and catch a year-long suspension.

[Whoofe]

NCAA has to make this garbage up to justify its existence.


but they will never take action when a "too big to fail" program is actively cheating. that would hurt its bank account

[Skipaway]

So police should be desovled because sometimes they enforce traffic rules too strctly when they don’t have to?

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

So police should be desovled because sometimes they enforce traffic rules too strctly when they don’t have to?

I was under the impression that most murderers are apprehended. So as long as they get everybody...

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

So police should be desovled because sometimes they enforce traffic rules too strctly when they don’t have to?

No. The police should be done away with when it no longer serves its purpose. The NCAA's mission is to make sure the athlete is treated the same as the student. It can no longer accomplish that task. It never could. As soon as it makes one rule the athlete has to follow that the rest of the student body can ignore, it has gone against the reason for its existence. The problem is not the enforcement, it's the fact the rule exists in the first place.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

No. The police should be done away with when it no longer serves its purpose. The NCAA's mission is to make sure the athlete is treated the same as the student. It can no longer accomplish that task. It never could. As soon as it makes one rule the athlete has to follow that the rest of the student body can ignore, it has gone against the reason for its existence. The problem is not the enforcement, it's the fact the rule exists in the first place.

In this specific case, they are achieving the goal of ensuring the students are students. You are wrong that NCAA's mission is to make sure the athletes are treated the same as general students. NCAA has tons of rules that ensure athletes cannot do what many general students can do, and the goal is to ensure they cannot be perceived as professional athletes. On the other hand, a generic student can be a professional athlete, and a professional athlete can be a generic student.

They gave a very light penalty on a very light offense as a way to remind people rules are rules.

And there is nothing wrong with the rule at all. The idea is to ensure school teams don't find ways to have students spend more time on team activities.

If you don't like this situation, the solution isn't getting rid of NCAA. There will forever be governing bodies for organized activities. If it's not called NCAA, it'd be something else but doing the same thing.

To change the situation you'd need to change the mandate of this organized activity, and there are several different ways to do it. You can talk about those, but this incident is hardly a good starting point.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

In this specific case, they are achieving the goal of ensuring the students are students. You are wrong that NCAA's mission is to make sure the athletes are treated the same as general students. NCAA has tons of rules that ensure athletes cannot do what many general students can do, and the goal is to ensure they cannot be perceived as professional athletes. On the other hand, a generic student can be a professional athlete, and a professional athlete can be a generic student.

This paragraph is contradictory. Why do they not want the to be perceived as pros? So that they can appear to be treated like ordinary students.

They gave a very light penalty on a very light offense as a way to remind people rules are rules.

Never once debated about the severity of the rule. I debated the necessity to ignore the spirit of the rule.

And there is nothing wrong with the rule at all. The idea is to ensure school teams don't find ways to have students spend more time on team activities.

Again, as I replied earlier in the thread, I was never was in the dark about why the rule existed.

If you don't like this situation, the solution isn't getting rid of NCAA. There will forever be governing bodies for organized activities. If it's not called NCAA, it'd be something else but doing the same thing.

You have the right to your opinion. I am exercising my right to believe the NCAA is an archaic organization trying to uphold an out-dated ideal and should be buried in the leather helmet era it came from.

To change the situation you'd need to change the mandate of this organized activity, and there are several different ways to do it. You can talk about those, but this incident is hardly a good starting point.

Again, you have the right to your opinion. I never implied this was the starting point. Ergo, "Reason #25349"