How would you handle tie?

BaseballMan · 09-02-2018, 02:04 PM

In 1899 i am using the National League setup of just one league.
I have the #1 and #2 teams playing the world series.
Problem is they both finished with exactly the same record.
I could have a playoff of 1 or 3 games for the #1 seed but one team is still going to get the extra home game.
But the #1 seed does get the extra world series game at home.
I think ootp has the correct standings because i counted Baltimore has winning head to head matchups.
Did ootp use that to choose or is it going by alphabetical order?
I think i will just go with the the way the way ootp has them but are the standings correct?
Anyway here is how the standings look.

JaBurns · 09-02-2018, 03:07 PM

I would give the extra home game to winner of season series. If that is tied games won against 3rd place team.

r0nster · 09-02-2018, 06:36 PM

one game playoff this is simple as its only 2 teams I see

NoOne · 09-02-2018, 09:19 PM

i'm not a fan of 1-game vs 162 games worth of data like RS-RA difference or something strongly correlated to a winning season.

~18 games or more vs each other is likely better at picking the 'best' team of the two than a 1-game playoff too. maybe better than rs differential? whatever the math dictates, i just want the better team in the playoffs more times than other configurations.

no matter what you choose, sometimes the wrong team will get in. the only thing you can do is reduce that percentage as best you can.... or not if you like cinderella stories... guess i shoudln't assume. 1-game playoffs would help produce more opportunities for that to occur.

BaseballMan · 09-02-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

one game playoff this is simple as its only 2 teams I see

The problem is who would get the home field advantage in a 1 game playoff to play for home field advantage in the world series?

BaseballMan · 09-02-2018, 10:05 PM

Well i checked and Baltimore had a 8-6 series lead.
So however ootp sorted it out, it looks like they got it right.
Ironically it didnt matter as Chicago took 2 games in Baltimore to win the series 4-2.

venflaalachi · 09-02-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Well i checked and Baltimore had a 8-6 series lead.
So however ootp sorted it out, it looks like they got it right.
Ironically it didnt matter as Chicago took 2 games in Baltimore to win the series 4-2.

In my experience, OOTP solves this tiebreaker by using head to head. In my league the top 2 teams go to the World Series, and every time there is a tie the team that won the season series gets the home field advantage.

BaseballMan · 09-03-2018, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by venflaalachi

In my experience, OOTP solves this tiebreaker by using head to head. In my league the top 2 teams go to the World Series, and every time there is a tie the team that won the season series gets the home field advantage.

I had a custom playoff of 1 vs 2 for the series so i could change the home field team but i wanted the standings to be correct.
I am curious as to why the game didn't schedule at least a 1 game playoff.
I had a custom playoff scheduled but that was for the world series.
in cases in which the winning pctg was close but the games played were different i believe i saw a 1 game playoff. Cant remember if it was in 2 leagues or one league setup.

Matt Arnold · 09-03-2018, 11:32 AM

We only schedule 1-game playoffs if that affects who makes it in or not. If all that matters is home field, then we just use something similar to MLB tiebreakers, with head to head first, followed by division and intra-league records, and then i think we do some runs for/runs against calculations.

BaseballMan · 09-03-2018, 01:48 PM

Well after dealing with that tie my league puts up a 3 way tie.
Wonder if the game has a goal of every team tied at the end of the year.
It has Philadelphia playing Pittsburgh. So im guessing the winner will play Brooklyn with the winner going to the series.
Kinda weird though.

NoOne · 09-03-2018, 01:54 PM

why they play next depends on playoff options -- reseed or not checked. no reseed, they go to the next team lined up in grid (playoff coverage) or if reseeded, they'll put highest vs lowest.

you can turn off the 1-game playoff in the options, too. rules? options? tab... thereabouts?

BaseballMan · 09-03-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

why they play next depends on playoff options -- reseed or not checked. no reseed, they go to the next team lined up in grid (playoff coverage) or if reseeded, they'll put highest vs lowest.

That is there under custom playoff but since i have 2 leagues now i unchecked it.
So i'll just go with what the game chooses.

Rosco Peabody · 09-03-2018, 07:33 PM

I would have my own personal list of tiebreaker order kind of like the NFL has. I would do head to head record, then overall runs scored, something like that. You could add four or five more, then just have the final level be a coin toss that you actually do in the worst case scenario (that would never actually happen).

NoOne · 09-04-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

That is there under custom playoff but since i have 2 leagues now i unchecked it.
So i'll just go with what the game chooses.

if unchecked it will stick to the playoff coverage grid that you see. playof tree! ugh i coudln't remember what it was called in game. it's under playoff coverage, unless ui changed.

i'v only played '19 a bit so far and still procrastonating on moving league over. i don't like change.

The_Offspring187 · 09-05-2018, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

i'v only played '19 a bit so far and still procrastonating on moving league over. i don't like change.

I understand this but I moved mine from 18 to 19 and couldn't imagine going back to 18, especially since I play out or watch all my team's games. The new 3d is too beautiful to go back to what it was before. That and the other new features.

I still need to update though I'm still on .59. I waited out the .64 and onward stuff but I need to update now that everything is back to normal. So I still haven't used the new shop player(s) features that came with the recent patches.

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09-03-2018, 01:48 PM	#10
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,646	Well after dealing with that tie my league puts up a 3 way tie. Wonder if the game has a goal of every team tied at the end of the year. It has Philadelphia playing Pittsburgh. So im guessing the winner will play Brooklyn with the winner going to the series. Kinda weird though. Attached Images Last edited by BaseballMan; 09-04-2018 at 07:59 PM.

09-03-2018, 07:33 PM	#13
Rosco Peabody All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South of Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 1,092	I would have my own personal list of tiebreaker order kind of like the NFL has. I would do head to head record, then overall runs scored, something like that. You could add four or five more, then just have the final level be a coin toss that you actually do in the worst case scenario (that would never actually happen). __________________ . Been playing since OOTP '08 Avatar is a picture of me drawn by one of my students a few years ago (My real name is not Rosco, nor do I live anywhere near Peabody)

09-02-2018, 02:04 PM	#1
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,646	How would you handle tie? In 1899 i am using the National League setup of just one league. I have the #1 and #2 teams playing the world series. Problem is they both finished with exactly the same record. I could have a playoff of 1 or 3 games for the #1 seed but one team is still going to get the extra home game. But the #1 seed does get the extra world series game at home. I think ootp has the correct standings because i counted Baltimore has winning head to head matchups. Did ootp use that to choose or is it going by alphabetical order? I think i will just go with the the way the way ootp has them but are the standings correct? Anyway here is how the standings look. Attached Images

09-02-2018, 03:07 PM	#2
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,301	I would give the extra home game to winner of season series. If that is tied games won against 3rd place team.

09-02-2018, 06:36 PM	#3
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,081	one game playoff this is simple as its only 2 teams I see

09-02-2018, 09:19 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i'm not a fan of 1-game vs 162 games worth of data like RS-RA difference or something strongly correlated to a winning season. ~18 games or more vs each other is likely better at picking the 'best' team of the two than a 1-game playoff too. maybe better than rs differential? whatever the math dictates, i just want the better team in the playoffs more times than other configurations. no matter what you choose, sometimes the wrong team will get in. the only thing you can do is reduce that percentage as best you can.... or not if you like cinderella stories... guess i shoudln't assume. 1-game playoffs would help produce more opportunities for that to occur.

09-02-2018, 10:05 PM	#6
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,646	Well i checked and Baltimore had a 8-6 series lead. So however ootp sorted it out, it looks like they got it right. Ironically it didnt matter as Chicago took 2 games in Baltimore to win the series 4-2.

09-03-2018, 11:32 AM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,237	We only schedule 1-game playoffs if that affects who makes it in or not. If all that matters is home field, then we just use something similar to MLB tiebreakers, with head to head first, followed by division and intra-league records, and then i think we do some runs for/runs against calculations.

09-03-2018, 01:54 PM	#11
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	why they play next depends on playoff options -- reseed or not checked. no reseed, they go to the next team lined up in grid (playoff coverage) or if reseeded, they'll put highest vs lowest. you can turn off the 1-game playoff in the options, too. rules? options? tab... thereabouts?