Raising The White Flag

[NoOne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHpdgHTINik

[CobaltJays]

I just saw this thread now. I'm not sure if it's related to the fix in this case, but depth charts are now being ignored when managing games.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by CobaltJays

I just saw this thread now. I'm not sure if it's related to the fix in this case, but depth charts are now being ignored when managing games.

We'll fix this up (hotfix planned in the next couple days), so that when playing out games, the depth chart will be used, but we won't do things outside of the depth chart (ie. if a player is in your lineup and hurt, we'll check if you have a depth starter for them, but if not, then we won't fill in anyone else for them and force you to make the decision). Should be the best of both worlds

[t-bone shuffle]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I still don't understand the "advantage" to doing this over just having a set lineup and making changes on a daily basis. Is it more work to insert someone into a lineup as opposed to replacing someone in a lineup? What am I missing?

I'll make this quick.

First, to be clear, I'm not looking for any type of "advantage" in the game, vs. the AI, etc.

I do this because, I generally don't have teams that have 9, what I would call "every day players" My teams generally might have five or six full timers while the other spots are a subjective daily decision based upon a multitude of things (platoon, stats, stats v. SP, rest status, etc., etc.). With these spots left open, it's much easier for me to analyze and decide who's gonna start that day. Having the AI fill in it's preference does not help me and in fact lessens the likelihood that I might consider the various options to both the starters, and the order itself.


That along with the fact that it's worked this way since the format change (I believe), make me a creature of habit too.


Hope this helps you. I pretty much covered the same question in post # 16, btw.


And, thanks again Markus.

[Dyzalot]

You misunderstood. I only meant "advantage" in the sense that it is better than not doing it that way. I sim so I'm always looking for ways to improve the way I play. I was trying to see what kind of objective advantage there was to leaving spots open but it seems you answered that by stating that it is more personal preference than anything else, which is fine.

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by t-bone shuffle

I'll make this quick.

First, to be clear, I'm not looking for any type of "advantage" in the game, vs. the AI, etc.

I do this because, I generally don't have teams that have 9, what I would call "every day players" My teams generally might have five or six full timers while the other spots are a subjective daily decision based upon a multitude of things (platoon, stats, stats v. SP, rest status, etc., etc.). With these spots left open, it's much easier for me to analyze and decide who's gonna start that day. Having the AI fill in it's preference does not help me and in fact lessens the likelihood that I might consider the various options to both the starters, and the order itself.


That along with the fact that it's worked this way since the format change (I believe), make me a creature of habit too.


Hope this helps you. I pretty much covered the same question in post # 16, btw.


And, thanks again Markus.

I like having the entire lineup since the pre-game screen displays the at bat results against the opponent's starting pitcher. Make the changes in the lineup and seeing the new inserted batters at bat results.

[t-bone shuffle]

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

You misunderstood. I only meant "advantage" in the sense that it is better than not doing it that way. I sim so I'm always looking for ways to improve the way I play. I was trying to see what kind of objective advantage there was to leaving spots open but it seems you answered that by stating that it is more personal preference than anything else, which is fine.

I'd absolutely say this is "play out all games/micro-manage" thing. Totally understand why a simmer would appreciate the other way.

I guess I need the "blank" spots to get my imagination going.

[dbqs]

wouldn't using the 7-day lineup system allow you to do all that more easily in the same manner?

[t-bone shuffle]

Originally Posted by dbqs

wouldn't using the 7-day lineup system allow you to do all that more easily in the same manner?

Not really. Again, I'm making lineup and order decisions on a day to day basis that can be influenced by, for example, the previous day's result.

For simming sure. For those of us who truly micro-manage, and play out every game, it doesn't accomplish what I'm looking for.

[dbqs]

Originally Posted by t-bone shuffle

Not really. Again, I'm making lineup and order decisions on a day to day basis that can be influenced by, for example, the previous day's result.

For simming sure. For those of us who truly micro-manage, and play out every game, it doesn't accomplish what I'm looking for.

Right... but I'm saying on the 7-day lineup there's the options for "allow alternative lineup" and "allow use of depth chart", if you populate your 7-day lineups with blank spaces and go to start the game the blank spaces remain, and it at least shows the upcoming L/R for pitchers for upcoming games to save a bit of work. Isn't that what the problem was? Sorry if I misunderstood or am not adding anything at this point.

[t-bone shuffle]

Originally Posted by dbqs

Right... but I'm saying on the 7-day lineup there's the options for "allow alternative lineup" and "allow use of depth chart", if you populate your 7-day lineups with blank spaces and go to start the game the blank spaces remain, and it at least shows the upcoming L/R for pitchers for upcoming games to save a bit of work. Isn't that what the problem was? Sorry if I misunderstood or am not adding anything at this point.

Yeah, the problem was that no matter what was tried regarding "blank spaces", the AI would fill in the lineup at it's discretion in the pre-game setting. What you suggest would probably work easily now.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by dbqs

wouldn't using the 7-day lineup system allow you to do all that more easily in the same manner?

Originally Posted by t-bone shuffle

Not really. Again, I'm making lineup and order decisions on a day to day basis that can be influenced by, for example, the previous day's result.

For simming sure. For those of us who truly micro-manage, and play out every game, it doesn't accomplish what I'm looking for.

Wasn't going to respond but I think we should clarify that what dbqs says does work. I understand it's not how you want to do it.

I've been doing what you say in bold and simming day by day for hundreds of seasons over many versions. When I do play out selected games I sometimes change the changes made that day on the 7-day lineup in-game if I see something different.

I'd put this as a YMMV unless I'm missing something obvious.

[t-bone shuffle]

Originally Posted by RchW

Wasn't going to respond but I think we should clarify that what dbqs says does work. I understand it's not how you want to do it.

I've been doing what you say in bold and simming day by day for hundreds of seasons over many versions. When I do play out selected games I sometimes change the changes made that day on the 7-day lineup in-game if I see something different.

I'd put this as a YMMV unless I'm missing something obvious.

Agreed. Note the post above though, the game was filling in any time/anyplace a "blank space" existed.

I'd call it a bug, and reported it as such, but I'm not certain, Markus, et al, considered it so. Regardless, I have my precious "blank spots" back, and I'm appreciative.

Think this horse has been kicked enough.

Thanks all.