Historical Question

Airdrop01 · 04-20-2018, 12:08 PM

So, I've always used automatically import historical rookies but never the random debut option.

Should both of these be checked to use random debut, or no?

Thanks.

mitchkenn · 04-20-2018, 02:41 PM

random debut will bring in players of different era into each draft. you may get Ruth, Bonds, Walter Johnson and Cap Anson in one draft. and you may get Jose Pagan, Tony Lazzeri and Jim Gilliam in the next. i don't play that way, so not certain how the different era stats mesh.
random debut OFF will just bring in players from whatever year your draft is in.

Airdrop01 · 04-20-2018, 03:51 PM

So what happens if I check them both? For example, would I get dual draft classes?

Also, If I don’t limit the year of debut to say 1990 or whatever, could I conceivably end up with a rookie version of a currently active player (ie if I don’t limit it, could I end up with a rookie Beltran, etc.)

JaBurns · 04-20-2018, 04:12 PM

If you check them both you will get a draft class of random year players and then the historical draft year players will end up in your in Free Agent pool. At least this is what happened to me, could not figure out why my pool was growing so fast, took me about 6 drafts to figure out what was happening and correct the problem. Settings in this game give us lots of options but they are very difficult to get the league the way I envision it in my mind. I learn something new pretty much daily and have fun but it can be very frustrating, I have had to blow up many leagues.

David Watts · 04-20-2018, 06:42 PM

You want them both checked if you are doing a random debut. In fact, they are both checked by default when you use the historical wizard to create your league, so don't mess with them.

I don't know what happened in Jaburns league, but having them both checked will not result in you getting a random draft and the actual debuts of that year as free agents. You will only get random players.

If I understand your question correctly, yes you can get the rookie version a current player. I never use a max in my league, so getting Altuve, or Bryant or Trout as a rookie is definitely possible. I do use a minimum as I don't like the way pre 1900 players perform. But, that's just me. Other use them with no complaints.

JaBurns · 04-21-2018, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

You want them both checked if you are doing a random debut. In fact, they are both checked by default when you use the historical wizard to create your league, so don't mess with them.

I don't know what happened in Jaburns league, but having them both checked will not result in you getting a random draft and the actual debuts of that year as free agents. You will only get random players.

If I understand your question correctly, yes you can get the rookie version a current player. I never use a max in my league, so getting Altuve, or Bryant or Trout as a rookie is definitely possible. I do use a minimum as I don't like the way pre 1900 players perform. But, that's just me. Other use them with no complaints.

I am going to go back and check both boxes. The problem was I was putting 96 players in the draft pool for 5 rounds (16 X 5) but enough players for players for 6 rounds. Then the free agent pool was growing by more than 16 undrafted players. Thought I had it figured out as I said above but obviously not, any ideas?
What I don’t understand is that if we automatically bring in all historical rookies how is it Random Debut? You cannot have a player debut as a draftee if his actual rookie year is before the year the league is in, make sense?:

David Watts · 04-21-2018, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaBurns

I am going to go back and check both boxes. The problem was I was putting 96 players in the draft pool for 5 rounds (16 X 5) but enough players for players for 6 rounds. Then the free agent pool was growing by more than 16 undrafted players. Thought I had it figured out as I said above but obviously not, any ideas?
What I don’t understand is that if we automatically bring in all historical rookies how is it Random Debut? You cannot have a player debut as a draftee if his actual rookie year is before the year the league is in, make sense?:

I'm lost?

JaBurns · 04-21-2018, 04:26 PM

What I am saying, if understand properly, is that by having both boxes checked a player cannot debut after his historical rookie season.
Example:
Starting in 1901, you have a rookie draft every year, by the time you reach 1920 all the rookies from 1901-1919 have already been in the draft pool.
Therefore you cannot have a real life rookie from 1911 appear in the 1920 draft because he was already in the 1910 rookie draft pool. Am I making any sense?

David Watts · 04-21-2018, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaBurns

What I am saying, if understand properly, is that by having both boxes checked a player cannot debut after his historical rookie season.
Example:
Starting in 1901, you have a rookie draft every year, by the time you reach 1920 all the rookies from 1901-1919 have already been in the draft pool.
Therefore you cannot have a real life rookie from 1911 appear in the 1920 draft because he was already in the 1910 rookie draft pool. Am I making any sense?

No, that isn't how it works. You could start your league in 1901 and never see Ty Cobb until you get to year 2000. You could start in 1912 and never see Babe Ruth until 2018 if your draft is small enough. It would be sheer coincidence if Ty Cobb was part of your 1905 random debut amateur draft.

JaBurns · 04-21-2018, 04:50 PM

Ok I was

yet again back to both being checked thanks for your time.

04-20-2018, 12:08 PM	#1
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04-20-2018, 02:41 PM	#2
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04-20-2018, 03:51 PM	#3
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	So what happens if I check them both? For example, would I get dual draft classes? Also, If I don’t limit the year of debut to say 1990 or whatever, could I conceivably end up with a rookie version of a currently active player (ie if I don’t limit it, could I end up with a rookie Beltran, etc.) __________________

04-20-2018, 04:12 PM	#4
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,301	If you check them both you will get a draft class of random year players and then the historical draft year players will end up in your in Free Agent pool. At least this is what happened to me, could not figure out why my pool was growing so fast, took me about 6 drafts to figure out what was happening and correct the problem. Settings in this game give us lots of options but they are very difficult to get the league the way I envision it in my mind. I learn something new pretty much daily and have fun but it can be very frustrating, I have had to blow up many leagues.

04-20-2018, 06:42 PM	#5
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,160 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	You want them both checked if you are doing a random debut. In fact, they are both checked by default when you use the historical wizard to create your league, so don't mess with them. I don't know what happened in Jaburns league, but having them both checked will not result in you getting a random draft and the actual debuts of that year as free agents. You will only get random players. If I understand your question correctly, yes you can get the rookie version a current player. I never use a max in my league, so getting Altuve, or Bryant or Trout as a rookie is definitely possible. I do use a minimum as I don't like the way pre 1900 players perform. But, that's just me. Other use them with no complaints.

04-21-2018, 04:26 PM	#8
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,301	What I am saying, if understand properly, is that by having both boxes checked a player cannot debut after his historical rookie season. Example: Starting in 1901, you have a rookie draft every year, by the time you reach 1920 all the rookies from 1901-1919 have already been in the draft pool. Therefore you cannot have a real life rookie from 1911 appear in the 1920 draft because he was already in the 1910 rookie draft pool. Am I making any sense?

04-21-2018, 04:50 PM	#10
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,301	Ok I was yet again back to both being checked thanks for your time.