Feeder league issue

[jfb8300]

Having an issue where 18 year old high schoolers that get drafted, but fail to sign a contract don't go to a college team, but rather sit out their entire 19 year old season before going to college or being re-drafted.

Went into commissioner mode and acted as a college team and was unable to sign them as well. Their demands were still listed as 'slot' on my shortlist, as they didn't show up on the free agent screen at all.

Is this a bug?

And what happened to the junior college level I though was mentioned in a feature list a while back?

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by jfb8300

Having an issue where 18 year old high schoolers that get drafted, but fail to sign a contract don't go to a college team, but rather sit out their entire 19 year old season before going to college or being re-drafted.

Went into commissioner mode and acted as a college team and was unable to sign them as well. Their demands were still listed as 'slot' on my shortlist, as they didn't show up on the free agent screen at all.

Is this a bug?

And what happened to the junior college level I though was mentioned in a feature list a while back?

I have noticed this too though not the contract demand part. What I've seen is HS players who get draft and fail to sign or go undrafted miss their 19yo college season when they go to college.

I haven't looked into it yet but wonder if it has to do with when they would join their college team after the draft/signing period and maybe the college rosters are full. I'll have to play with it a bit to see if I can figure why it is happening.

In the mean time I just imagine the 19yos are playing JV ball

[byzeil]

OK, I believe I figured out what is happening (at least based on my feeder league settings.

My Feeder settings:

• HS Max age 18
• Draft eligibility=When max age is surpassed

Important Dates

• 6/17/59-3/13/2060 [19th Birthdays] DNP 2060 HS season
• 3/15/2060 (begin HS Season)
• 3/18/60-5/28/60 [19th birthdays] Played 2060 HS season
• 5/24/2060 (End HS Season)
• 6/5/2060 MLB Draft

So what has happened is that any player who met the "Draft Eligibility" before the upcoming HS season (for me they turned 19 before the next[2060] HS season) did NOT play in the 2060 HS season(not eligible) and were drafted in the 2060 draft and failed to sign. They go onto College and play the next college season[2061] and their stats history shows a year skipped [2060].

Players who did not turn 19 until after the start of the HS season played in the HS season. Once in College their stat history does not show a missed season.

So that is what is happening. Next is to figure out what age settings I need to use to avoid this if it can be avoided.

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by byzeil

OK, I believe I figured out what is happening (at least based on my feeder league settings.

My Feeder settings:

• HS Max age 18
• Draft eligibility=When max age is surpassed

Important Dates

• 6/17/59-3/13/2060 [19th Birthdays] DNP 2060 HS season
• 3/15/2060 (begin HS Season)
• 3/18/60-5/28/60 [19th birthdays] Played 2060 HS season
• 5/24/2060 (End HS Season)
• 6/5/2060 MLB Draft

So what has happened is that any player who met the "Draft Eligibility" before the upcoming HS season (for me they turned 19 before the next[2060] HS season) did NOT play in the 2060 HS season(not eligible) and were drafted in the 2060 draft and failed to sign. They go onto College and play the next college season[2061] and their stats history shows a year skipped [2060].

Players who did not turn 19 until after the start of the HS season played in the HS season. Once in College their stat history does not show a missed season.

So that is what is happening. Next is to figure out what age settings I need to use to avoid this if it can be avoided.

Try setting it to "When Max Age is Met" for HS and see what happens.

EDIT: Wait, shouldnt it be one year before max age? Because technically, they're eligible during their senior season (which is the 17 to 18) and the cutoff is around August-September, which means kids could have a July 18th birthday and therefore be drafted when they're 17.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Try setting it to "When Max Age is Met" for HS and see what happens.

doing that now.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

Try setting it to "When Max Age is Met" for HS and see what happens.

EDIT: Wait, shouldnt it be one year before max age? Because technically, they're eligible during their senior season (which is the 17 to 18) and the cutoff is around August-September, which means kids could have a July 18th birthday and therefore be drafted when they're 17.

I'm finding it quite confusing at this point Currently testing max age reached (18). If that doesn't get it then I'll go to 1 year before (17). Problem with the one year before (17) if they don't sign they may go back into HS. Not sure with the way things work if there is a "perfect" setting.

[byzeil]

OK with the "eligible for draft' is set to "max age reached" players going undrafted stay in HS(don't go to COL) because they still meet the age limits for the HS. So to prevent a player from staying in HS the grad setting has to be max age surpassed. But then that leads to many skipping a year playing.

It is late and I'm having trouble focusing on this puzzle so I'll pick it up later.

The answer to the OP regarding if this is a bug or not? I don't think I'd call it a bug but it might be a design deficiency having to do at what points the ages affect eligibility for different things.

[NoOne]

oops misposted to wrong thread somehow...

sorry

you can be "17" your first semester in college. (a college friend of mine was, for example). it doesn't happen often.. typically school systems pressure parents into delaying the start of their schooling tilt he next year if too close to the "dec 1" cutoff date for a grade/class and with no thought to context... if they are smart they should start soon as possible.. they will be slowed by the average person no matter what. (school moves at a crawling pace, if you recall).

(dec 1 or thereabouts in michigan at one time, can be different by state, if not federally mandated)

they (school, not parents) wanted to hold me back becaue i was a summer baby.. pfft.

it was memorably lame that all my friends had driver's license and i had to basically wait until end of school year, lol... small potatotoes, and saved gas money in hindsight.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by NoOne

oops misposted to wrong thread somehow...

sorry

you can be "17" your first year in college.. it doesn't happen often.. typically school system pressures parents into delaying the start of their schooling tilt he next year if too close to the "dec 1" cutoff date for a grade/class.

(dec 1 or thereabouts in michigan at one time, can be different by state, if not federally mandated)

they (school, not parents) wanted to hold me back becaue i was a summer baby.. pfft.

it was memorably lame that all my friends had driver's license and i had to basically wait until end of school year, lol... small potatotoes, and saved gas money in hindsight.

Yea 17 should be OK on occassion (and technically even earlier once you complete your HS requirements. I think Bryce Harper went to JUCO at 16).

We're just trying to get OOTP do do things as they are IRL though not sure we have enough control at this time in-game.

[NoOne]

i just mean a few 17 is okay and not too unusual. if it's en mass, that's no good, of course..

[itsmb8]

What about setting the ages to 14 minimum, 18 maximum, eligible 1 year before max age, and 4 years max pro service time?

I wish we could just set it to be eligible after x number of years of pro service though. Would make this SO much simpler. With age, its really never going to be perfect because there will always be anomalies. For example, my birthday is in May. So at 17 I wouldve been eligible after my junior season because I was 17 by June. But then, what if it was in July? I'd turn 17 after the draft and would go after my senior season. But if you set it to 18, then a May birthday will be eligible after senior and a July or after would have to sit a year. With pro service determining eligibility, then you can set the age creation to 14 and set them to be eligible once they've played 4 seasons.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by itsmb8

What about setting the ages to 14 minimum, 18 maximum, eligible 1 year before max age, and 4 years max pro service time?

I wish we could just set it to be eligible after x number of years of pro service though. Would make this SO much simpler. With age, its really never going to be perfect because there will always be anomalies. For example, my birthday is in May. So at 17 I wouldve been eligible after my junior season because I was 17 by June. But then, what if it was in July? I'd turn 17 after the draft and would go after my senior season. But if you set it to 18, then a May birthday will be eligible after senior and a July or after would have to sit a year. With pro service determining eligibility, then you can set the age creation to 14 and set them to be eligible once they've played 4 seasons.

No pro service time while in the feeder leagues. Idealy we would have a 'HS Service Time' & 'COL Service time'. Alternatively OOTP could use pro service time and just reset it when a player leaves the feeders.

[byzeil]

If we have to live with, at least for now, some players having a year between HS and COL where they do not have any stats we can use our imagination and just figure those players are either playing JV ball or are red shirted. That is how I will probably justify it.

[jfb8300]

Originally Posted by byzeil

If we have to live with, at least for now, some players having a year between HS and COL where they do not have any stats we can use our imagination and just figure those players are either playing JV ball or are red shirted. That is how I will probably justify it.

Unfortunately though, these are typically very skilled players to be drafted in the top 5 rounds out of high school. To miss an entire year of development really throws things off.

My test league was only 6 MLB teams deep when testing this and approximately 18 players per year got stuck in the age gap. So we're looking at a significant number of players with a 30 team MLB and appropriate feeders.

As others have seen, there seems to be no way to get this to function with the available options. Players are either sitting out, or attending a 5th year of high school.

[spleen1015]

Thanks to you guys in this thread figuring this out. I hope this is something that can be addressed but feeder league is one of those features that have needed polish for years.

[byzeil]

Originally Posted by jfb8300

Unfortunately though, these are typically very skilled players to be drafted in the top 5 rounds out of high school. To miss an entire year of development really throws things off.

My test league was only 6 MLB teams deep when testing this and approximately 18 players per year got stuck in the age gap. So we're looking at a significant number of players with a 30 team MLB and appropriate feeders.

As others have seen, there seems to be no way to get this to function with the available options. Players are either sitting out, or attending a 5th year of high school.

Not sure how much difference missing 1 of a possible 7 or 8 years in feeders will make, not sure it throws the whole thing off. but it still shouldn't happen. I'm thinking the problem is the the date that is used to determine the age and thus eligibility for the draft and the feeder leagues. Seems it would have to be the same date but I think they are currently based on the start of the event (feeder league season or draft).

[itsmb8]

If we had eligibility based on years of experience, we would never have this problem.

[spleen1015]

RL is not based on birthday, so the game shouldn't be either. Just my