Who You Choose For MVP?

Baebae32 · 04-01-2018, 12:32 PM

Would like to see who you all think should have won the 2005 MVP award in my fictional league. Of course I voted for my very own Kadar Cavanaugh. I was hoping he would bring the award to make up for my Atlanta Vipers losing in a playoff play-in game for the 2nd straight season

. I'd like to think that Leftwich walked away with award due him leading Florida to their first playoff appearance in franchise history.

EDIT: Have to love when you omit a word in the thread title.

Hrycaj · 04-01-2018, 12:51 PM

For me it is Leftwich. He had 40 doubles, an insane amount of walks, and a great obp.

DawnBTVS · 04-01-2018, 01:38 PM

Leftwich: Got on base more while striking out far fewer, was a better base runner (fewer outs made stealing, more extra bases, same number of runs), and a similar amount of WAR.

timmermac · 04-01-2018, 02:31 PM

Standings? They are relevant...

JasonC23 · 04-01-2018, 02:31 PM

I voted for Cavanaugh because his stats are nearly as good (or better in some cases) across the board and he's a CF--and, judging from his WAR, a pretty good one at that.

NoOne · 04-02-2018, 09:17 AM

that's a toughy... flip a coin.

(roughly) same # of xbh, but one has a higher hr.. which is better than 40 doubles and why he has a higher slugging too.. big picture, he drove in runs better this year... should have had more rbi, but maybe had fewer chances to score palyers than leftwhich? or leftwhich had some xtra luck or anything in between.

both these guys would be better if they took a few less walks, since they are such great rakers (if batting 1/2 then the walks are fine). but, a single is > bb. i'm assuming both are 3rd or 4th in lineup, so they serve the same roles? slugging is more important in those spots than taking a walk.

i'd go with the hr heavy xbh... but i bet the other guy is more consistent in his career.

i'd rather have leftwhich on my team, but i think in this 1 year, the other guy is better. leftwich's avoid k's is going to keep him very consistent, i'd bet the house. plus, 27hr migh be a 'down' year.. can't know without seeing ratings. he's got a better contact and ~similar power... and younger.. total package.

i usually prefer ops+ over war too... rare when i go the opposite way on an mvp choice. he probably did more for his team this year...

oh and CF.. yeah, that cemented it for me... is he decent in CF or a hack? even if a defensive hack, still sticking with him.

texasmame · 04-02-2018, 09:45 AM

Leaning towards Jason due to walks but if he wasn't on a playoff team while the other guy was, then I pick the other guy.

EDIT: Jason it is then.

spartacus007 · 04-02-2018, 05:43 PM

For MVP Awards, I prefer to look at WPA instead of WAR, but do we really want to start that debate again? ;-)

timmermac · 04-02-2018, 07:14 PM

I seriously couldn't vote until I see the standings. I would need to see where both teams were in their divisions.

ThePretender · 04-02-2018, 07:46 PM

How is this even a question? It's Cavanaugh and it's naugh(t) even close. I'd seriously question anybody who picked the LF here.

Baebae32 · 04-02-2018, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmermac

I seriously couldn't vote until I see the standings. I would need to see where both teams were in their divisions.

Here are the final standings for that season along with each player's defensive stats for the 2005 season. It was Florida's first playoff appearance in franchise history.

Nero · 04-02-2018, 10:15 PM

How do the defensive metrics compare?

View Poll Results: Who Would You Choose
LF- Jason Leftwich- .338/.457/.561, 27 HR, 115 RBI, 8.1 WAR	16	41.03%
CF- Kadar Cavanaugh- .316/.409/.573, 36 HR, 117 RBI, 9.1 WAR	23	58.97%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

04-01-2018, 12:32 PM	#1
Baebae32 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Georgia Posts: 68	Who You Choose For MVP? Would like to see who you all think should have won the 2005 MVP award in my fictional league. Of course I voted for my very own Kadar Cavanaugh. I was hoping he would bring the award to make up for my Atlanta Vipers losing in a playoff play-in game for the 2nd straight season. I'd like to think that Leftwich walked away with award due him leading Florida to their first playoff appearance in franchise history. EDIT: Have to love when you omit a word in the thread title. Attached Images Last edited by Baebae32; 04-01-2018 at 12:37 PM.

04-01-2018, 12:51 PM	#2
Hrycaj All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,775	For me it is Leftwich. He had 40 doubles, an insane amount of walks, and a great obp. __________________ Click on my signature to read about the great game of baseball in Normington.

04-01-2018, 02:31 PM	#4
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	Standings? They are relevant... __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

04-02-2018, 09:17 AM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	that's a toughy... flip a coin. (roughly) same # of xbh, but one has a higher hr.. which is better than 40 doubles and why he has a higher slugging too.. big picture, he drove in runs better this year... should have had more rbi, but maybe had fewer chances to score palyers than leftwhich? or leftwhich had some xtra luck or anything in between. both these guys would be better if they took a few less walks, since they are such great rakers (if batting 1/2 then the walks are fine). but, a single is > bb. i'm assuming both are 3rd or 4th in lineup, so they serve the same roles? slugging is more important in those spots than taking a walk. i'd go with the hr heavy xbh... but i bet the other guy is more consistent in his career. i'd rather have leftwhich on my team, but i think in this 1 year, the other guy is better. leftwich's avoid k's is going to keep him very consistent, i'd bet the house. plus, 27hr migh be a 'down' year.. can't know without seeing ratings. he's got a better contact and ~similar power... and younger.. total package. i usually prefer ops+ over war too... rare when i go the opposite way on an mvp choice. he probably did more for his team this year... oh and CF.. yeah, that cemented it for me... is he decent in CF or a hack? even if a defensive hack, still sticking with him. Last edited by NoOne; 04-02-2018 at 09:21 AM.

04-01-2018, 01:38 PM	#3
DawnBTVS Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 416	Leftwich: Got on base more while striking out far fewer, was a better base runner (fewer outs made stealing, more extra bases, same number of runs), and a similar amount of WAR.

04-01-2018, 02:31 PM	#5
JasonC23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 902	I voted for Cavanaugh because his stats are nearly as good (or better in some cases) across the board and he's a CF--and, judging from his WAR, a pretty good one at that.

04-02-2018, 09:45 AM	#7
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,717	Leaning towards Jason due to walks but if he wasn't on a playoff team while the other guy was, then I pick the other guy. EDIT: Jason it is then. __________________ Managing and rebuilding the 98-loss TOKYO THUNDER. Last edited by texasmame; 04-03-2018 at 09:41 AM.

04-02-2018, 05:43 PM	#8
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	For MVP Awards, I prefer to look at WPA instead of WAR, but do we really want to start that debate again? ;-) __________________

04-02-2018, 07:14 PM	#9
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	I seriously couldn't vote until I see the standings. I would need to see where both teams were in their divisions. __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

04-02-2018, 07:46 PM	#10
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	How is this even a question? It's Cavanaugh and it's naugh(t) even close. I'd seriously question anybody who picked the LF here.

04-02-2018, 10:15 PM	#12
Nero Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 206	How do the defensive metrics compare?