Transition from “real” to generated draft pool

BlueSkull · 03-20-2018, 11:21 AM

Apologies I never fully understood the issue and still don’t fully understand the nuances of “auto-calc” and related functions....but in prior versions, there used to be an issue at the point when the league transitioned from “real” draft players to fictional ones generated a few years down the road.

Question: Is this anticipated to still be an issue? If so, can someone explain what the workaround measures are to smooth the outcomes?

Just preparing in advance of setting up a fresh game for opening day.

Thanks!

spartacus007 · 03-20-2018, 12:01 PM

They said this issue is supposed to be toned wayyyy down now.

stealofhome · 03-20-2018, 06:13 PM

I did a comparison between 18 and 19. Just create the league and let it sim on its own for a while.

It still takes 10-11 years to really get to a steady state at least for league batting average, but it only changes ~6% instead of the ~11% from last year's version. Definitely toned down, but still probably needs a good 15 years of simulating, then erasing league history.

My current process is to create league, simulate 15 years, erase league history, auto-calc modifiers for each league on opening day for 5 years in a row, then erase all league history again, and then finally simulate some real history. So I start in 1955, simulate until 1970, then 1975, then finally 2018.

I haven't attempted that process in OOTP 19 yet so it might still need to be tweaked.

itsmb8 · 03-20-2018, 10:59 PM

What if we started with fictional draft classes and deleted all the real ones?

Markus Heinsohn · 03-21-2018, 03:16 AM

It's a matter of taste really... the league is very stable from the start and also season 1 performances are no longer extreme (unlike previous versions), we made big strides here

So I personally do not sim ahead anymore, it's good out of the box.

NoOne · 03-21-2018, 09:06 AM

C'mon, you are talking to nerds, here! an internet forum?!? rational?!?!

If it went up to .270 and could still drop down to ~.240, i'd be all good with it, because it could in theory resemble the various eras of real life without chanign LTM/LT.

Still looks like a turnover is needed if you want a static set of LTM/LT. I don't like physics shifting

. I'd rather the ratings change stats over time. I've got a neat little spreadsheet for it.

Either way, clicking auto-calc every ~3-5 years for 15-20 years isn't so bad either. Plus, you'll likely set some records that you won't see again without extreme luck.

stealofhome · 03-22-2018, 06:02 PM

I did another couple of runs to test this, including one where I checked the adjust league totals and lock totals boxes on opening day in year 1 after clicking auto-calc. It does look like it's creating a cycle, but that's still too much variation for me. I'd prefer not to have different eras of hitting/pitching strength.

03-20-2018, 11:21 AM	#1
BlueSkull Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: New York, NY Posts: 81	Transition from “real” to generated draft pool Apologies I never fully understood the issue and still don’t fully understand the nuances of “auto-calc” and related functions....but in prior versions, there used to be an issue at the point when the league transitioned from “real” draft players to fictional ones generated a few years down the road. Question: Is this anticipated to still be an issue? If so, can someone explain what the workaround measures are to smooth the outcomes? Just preparing in advance of setting up a fresh game for opening day. Thanks!

03-20-2018, 12:01 PM	#2
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	They said this issue is supposed to be toned wayyyy down now. __________________

03-20-2018, 06:13 PM	#3
stealofhome Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,282	I did a comparison between 18 and 19. Just create the league and let it sim on its own for a while. It still takes 10-11 years to really get to a steady state at least for league batting average, but it only changes ~6% instead of the ~11% from last year's version. Definitely toned down, but still probably needs a good 15 years of simulating, then erasing league history. My current process is to create league, simulate 15 years, erase league history, auto-calc modifiers for each league on opening day for 5 years in a row, then erase all league history again, and then finally simulate some real history. So I start in 1955, simulate until 1970, then 1975, then finally 2018. I haven't attempted that process in OOTP 19 yet so it might still need to be tweaked. Attached Images

03-21-2018, 03:16 AM	#5
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	It's a matter of taste really... the league is very stable from the start and also season 1 performances are no longer extreme (unlike previous versions), we made big strides here So I personally do not sim ahead anymore, it's good out of the box. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

03-21-2018, 09:06 AM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	C'mon, you are talking to nerds, here! an internet forum?!? rational?!?! If it went up to .270 and could still drop down to ~.240, i'd be all good with it, because it could in theory resemble the various eras of real life without chanign LTM/LT. Still looks like a turnover is needed if you want a static set of LTM/LT. I don't like physics shifting . I'd rather the ratings change stats over time. I've got a neat little spreadsheet for it. Either way, clicking auto-calc every ~3-5 years for 15-20 years isn't so bad either. Plus, you'll likely set some records that you won't see again without extreme luck. Last edited by NoOne; 03-21-2018 at 09:08 AM.

03-20-2018, 10:59 PM	#4
itsmb8 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,343	What if we started with fictional draft classes and deleted all the real ones?

03-22-2018, 06:02 PM	#7
stealofhome Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,282	I did another couple of runs to test this, including one where I checked the adjust league totals and lock totals boxes on opening day in year 1 after clicking auto-calc. It does look like it's creating a cycle, but that's still too much variation for me. I'd prefer not to have different eras of hitting/pitching strength. Attached Images