"Peak Graphics" Poll

texasmame · 03-14-2018, 03:38 PM

In regards to this thread:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=286062

spartacus007 · 03-14-2018, 05:03 PM

I expect a fully-immersive 360° ballpark experience in OOTP 49 ;-)

Izz · 03-14-2018, 05:52 PM

Moarrrrr!!!!!!!11!!!

NoOne · 03-14-2018, 10:49 PM

how about -- all is good option.

i'll just click max, but it's not my playing preference. it's easy enough to keep the broadcast etc or just simming.. wouldn't want to impede others' happiness.

ihatenames · 03-15-2018, 01:46 AM

As long as we keep the stat engine as realistic as it is (or more so), bring on the graphics. Why not have it as pretty as it can be.

Reggie · 03-15-2018, 04:11 AM

I think at this point the graphics need to move as far as possible. I rarely read the PBP and rely on the graphics to give me an idea of what happened on the play. Sometimes I have to go back and read what happened because it wasn't obvious on the screen.
I've lost some immersion not reading the PBP but I can't go back now. Hopefully in a not so distant version the field scoreboard will bring back some immersion by having batter/pitcher stats on it.. or some other type of useful information relative to what is going on.

Motorhead667 · 03-15-2018, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

As long as we keep the stat engine as realistic as it is (or more so), bring on the graphics. Why not have it as pretty as it can be.

Totally agree with this

Tunnelrunner · 03-15-2018, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorhead667

Totally agree with this

+1.

As long as this game doesn't ever require reflexes and "stick skills" to play, let's make those graphics as next-generation as possible.

I do think they should always stay with the overall view of the entire field from behind home plate view (as it is now) regardless of how realistic the graphics can and will become (or...maybe give the option of adjustable camera views like in the old Front Page Sports Baseball Pro series).

r0nster · 03-15-2018, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie

I think at this point the graphics need to move as far as possible. I rarely read the PBP and rely on the graphics to give me an idea of what happened on the play. Sometimes I have to go back and read what happened because it wasn't obvious on the screen.
I've lost some immersion not reading the PBP but I can't go back now. Hopefully in a not so distant version the field scoreboard will bring back some immersion by having batter/pitcher stats on it.. or some other type of useful information relative to what is going on.

Incase you are not aware you can get PBP right now just change the settings just before you hit play game. You will see the option as I am not in front of my personal laptop right now.

David Watts · 03-15-2018, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatenames

As long as we keep the stat engine as realistic as it is (or more so), bring on the graphics. Why not have it as pretty as it can be.

I'm not a graphics guy, never will be. But, I can't argue with this at all. Problem is the stat engine has taken a huge step backwards in terms of realistic stats. It still produces incredible overall league numbers. But, on an individual basis it's producing way too many monster seasons. If it's producing too many monster seasons, I guaranty it's also producing way too many dreadful seasons as well. It would have to, as it's easy to see that overall league stats are dead on. It's simply not my cup of tea to fire up a season and see the hits leaderboard look like this, 265, 252, 240, 235, 221 etc. Every season shouldn't end with a batting average leaderboard that goes like this .385, .372,.365, 352, 333. Hitting .400 should be a rarity and something to celebrate when it happens. Ron Santo having an outlier season in which he hits .345 or better is a blast. Ron Santo stringing together 3 or 4 seasons hitting between .340 and .380 is a bummer. And it's not just hitters. When you look at a leagues history, the seasonal leaderboards should resemble that of real history. I guess I should state that I play mainly historical/random debut.

ry1220 · 03-15-2018, 01:41 PM

No monkey rodeo option?

Henry · 03-15-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm not a graphics guy, never will be. But, I can't argue with this at all. Problem is the stat engine has taken a huge step backwards in terms of realistic stats. It still produces incredible overall league numbers. But, on an individual basis it's producing way too many monster seasons. If it's producing too many monster seasons, I guaranty it's also producing way too many dreadful seasons as well. It would have to, as it's easy to see that overall league stats are dead on. It's simply not my cup of tea to fire up a season and see the hits leaderboard look like this, 265, 252, 240, 235, 221 etc. Every season shouldn't end with a batting average leaderboard that goes like this .385, .372,.365, 352, 333. Hitting .400 should be a rarity and something to celebrate when it happens. Ron Santo having an outlier season in which he hits .345 or better is a blast. Ron Santo stringing together 3 or 4 seasons hitting between .340 and .380 is a bummer. And it's not just hitters. When you look at a leagues history, the seasonal leaderboards should resemble that of real history. I guess I should state that I play mainly historical/random debut.

I think the issue is, and always has been, the fact that any "engine" that creates numbers that total to an accurate "average" uses the Bell Curve to do it. If your top guy hits .350, your average league BA is .300 and your bottom guy is .250, then everyone else is going to distributed across the bell curve with most hitters being around .300.

I think what your asking for, and what I, too, would like to see, is a few "outliers" in the mix. Once in a while, in a sample like above, one of the top guys ought to hit a full 50 points over the next guy, or hit a full 10 home-runs more than the guy in second place, or a pitcher that has 50 k's more than #2, or a pitcher that has a 1.29 ERA with the next closest guy at 2.10.

Programming wise, this would be a challenge. Certain "trigger" points would have to be programmed into the Engine to let a guy follow a different curve rather than the standard bell curve.

With all the other things OOTP has on their plate, this might not rate very high, but I personally think it would be worth the effort.

Len1950 · 03-15-2018, 02:49 PM

I did all the field managing I want to do with APBA (dice and paper scoresheets), Diamond MInd, and a couple others in between. Now I just want to be a general manager and rebuild losing franchises. I sim all the games and the only thing I wish for is that it would make certain info easier to get to (which I've written about before) and that it would sim faster, so I can get to the offseason where the GM's have the most fun re-making their teams. (I really don't understand why the playoffs sim so slowly when there are hardly any games being played.) I actually wish there was a way to upload the game that doesn't even bring in the game-playing video bells and whistles until you call up that module, which I hardly ever would. Although I realize I'm in the minority and that's where the money is. So, sure, make the video stuff better for those who want it, but please don't make the game so massive that it will barely work on an ordinary, non-state of the art computer.

David Watts · 03-15-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry

I think the issue is, and always has been, the fact that any "engine" that creates numbers that total to an accurate "average" uses the Bell Curve to do it. If your top guy hits .350, your average league BA is .300 and your bottom guy is .250, then everyone else is going to distributed across the bell curve with most hitters being around .300.

I think what your asking for, and what I, too, would like to see, is a few "outliers" in the mix. Once in a while, in a sample like above, one of the top guys ought to hit a full 50 points over the next guy, or hit a full 10 home-runs more than the guy in second place, or a pitcher that has 50 k's more than #2, or a pitcher that has a 1.29 ERA with the next closest guy at 2.10.

Programming wise, this would be a challenge. Certain "trigger" points would have to be programmed into the Engine to let a guy follow a different curve rather than the standard bell curve.

With all the other things OOTP has on their plate, this might not rate very high, but I personally think it would be worth the effort.

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is, OOTP has already proven that it can be the best historical game on the market. OOTP16 in my opinion is unrivaled, unchallenged and simply the best historical baseball game ever created. Hands down! So, I assumed( I know, I know, never assume) 17 and 18 would just continue this tradition. So far I've been disappointed. It's not the end of the world by any means. As long as I can continue to fire up 16, I will just keep adding to the 3300 hours I've played since I installed it. I really hope y'all don't think I'm a sniveling whiner......in fact I hope y'all wish you could be like David Watts or at least fight like him.......I love this game. If I see guys like Pstrickert, Actionjackson, JaBurns, Jerry Helper etc. posting that 19 has recaptured the greatness of 16, I will be buying and playing for sure....well thanks to my internet, it might take me a week or two to download, but I will. I will

The Game · 03-15-2018, 07:40 PM

I've said for years, and i'll unfortunately probably say it til i die, that if i ever win a big lotto that I will give Markus teh $$ needed to have The Show like graphics to make OOTP the best ever baseball game and get these platform guys to come back to PC.

PSUColonel · 03-15-2018, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

I've said for years, and i'll unfortunately probably say it til i die, that if i ever win a big lotto that I will give Markus teh $$ needed to have The Show like graphics to make OOTP the best ever baseball game and get these platform guys to come back to PC.

He wouldn't let you

r0nster · 03-16-2018, 06:02 AM

maybe I am missing the point but why is it people want this game to be like the Show. I prefer OOTP not to follow some other platform or game formula. It should be able to stand on its own two feet as OOTP does. I prefer OOTP to follow in its own path as it has been successful.

zappa1 · 03-16-2018, 07:52 AM

No arcade style game for me. Remember, this is a sim. It's one of the main reasons I bought it in the first place. If they go arcade style, I want the option to turn it all off.

The Game · 03-17-2018, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

He wouldn't let you

So you speak for him? Because he said he would accept it before.

Mr. Marlin · 03-17-2018, 07:19 AM

I really like what you guys are doing with the graphics. I've been with you since OOTP8 and what keeps me coming back every year is less the graphics enhancement and more the changes to the core game. I mainly play fictional so 3D was not a selling point for me because it kills the experience when I see the Miami Tropics playing in what is obviously Marlins Park. So I have always stayed away from the 3D view and used the 2D with fictional static ballpark pics I've collected or made over the years.

This year is a little different. From what I've seen they look like you guys have not just made strides but leaps. But for fictional play is still Marlins Park.

As much as I love the 3D enhancements what I'd really love to see is voiced pbp. My dream is to have my laptop on my desk at work listening to my Miami Tropics playing a regular season game while I work. Or in my car driving to work. Now THAT would be something.

Text vocalization is around but I'm not sure the technology is "there" yet to where it could make you suspend disbelief that you are not actually listening to a radio broadcast. Hopefully someday soon though.

View Poll Results: "PEAK GRAPHICS" Poll
Should've stayed with just ballpark pics.	5	5.56%
Super as it is with 18!	1	1.11%
Maybe a few tweaks here and there but nothing else major.	18	20.00%
More, MORE, MOAR!!1! On with "The Show!"	66	73.33%
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03-14-2018, 03:38 PM	#1
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,717	"Peak Graphics" Poll In regards to this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=286062 __________________ Managing and rebuilding the 98-loss TOKYO THUNDER.

03-14-2018, 05:52 PM	#3
Izz Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,469	Moarrrrr!!!!!!!11!!! __________________ Not only do I play OOTP but I also write science-fiction: My Website A brief history of the Australia-New Zealand Baseball League (AUNZBL 2019-2119)--A Dynasty Report The National Penterham Four-Bases Association--A Dynasty Report

03-14-2018, 10:49 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	how about -- all is good option. i'll just click max, but it's not my playing preference. it's easy enough to keep the broadcast etc or just simming.. wouldn't want to impede others' happiness. Last edited by NoOne; 03-14-2018 at 10:50 PM.

03-15-2018, 01:46 AM	#5
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	As long as we keep the stat engine as realistic as it is (or more so), bring on the graphics. Why not have it as pretty as it can be. __________________ New Album coming soon!

03-14-2018, 05:03 PM	#2
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	I expect a fully-immersive 360° ballpark experience in OOTP 49 ;-) __________________

03-15-2018, 04:11 AM	#6
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	I think at this point the graphics need to move as far as possible. I rarely read the PBP and rely on the graphics to give me an idea of what happened on the play. Sometimes I have to go back and read what happened because it wasn't obvious on the screen. I've lost some immersion not reading the PBP but I can't go back now. Hopefully in a not so distant version the field scoreboard will bring back some immersion by having batter/pitcher stats on it.. or some other type of useful information relative to what is going on.

03-15-2018, 01:41 PM	#11
ry1220 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 818	No monkey rodeo option?

03-15-2018, 02:49 PM	#13
Len1950 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 70	I did all the field managing I want to do with APBA (dice and paper scoresheets), Diamond MInd, and a couple others in between. Now I just want to be a general manager and rebuild losing franchises. I sim all the games and the only thing I wish for is that it would make certain info easier to get to (which I've written about before) and that it would sim faster, so I can get to the offseason where the GM's have the most fun re-making their teams. (I really don't understand why the playoffs sim so slowly when there are hardly any games being played.) I actually wish there was a way to upload the game that doesn't even bring in the game-playing video bells and whistles until you call up that module, which I hardly ever would. Although I realize I'm in the minority and that's where the money is. So, sure, make the video stuff better for those who want it, but please don't make the game so massive that it will barely work on an ordinary, non-state of the art computer.

03-15-2018, 07:40 PM	#15
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I've said for years, and i'll unfortunately probably say it til i die, that if i ever win a big lotto that I will give Markus teh $$ needed to have The Show like graphics to make OOTP the best ever baseball game and get these platform guys to come back to PC. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

03-16-2018, 06:02 AM	#17
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,082	maybe I am missing the point but why is it people want this game to be like the Show. I prefer OOTP not to follow some other platform or game formula. It should be able to stand on its own two feet as OOTP does. I prefer OOTP to follow in its own path as it has been successful.

03-16-2018, 07:52 AM	#18
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,246	No arcade style game for me. Remember, this is a sim. It's one of the main reasons I bought it in the first place. If they go arcade style, I want the option to turn it all off.

03-17-2018, 07:19 AM	#20
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,278	I really like what you guys are doing with the graphics. I've been with you since OOTP8 and what keeps me coming back every year is less the graphics enhancement and more the changes to the core game. I mainly play fictional so 3D was not a selling point for me because it kills the experience when I see the Miami Tropics playing in what is obviously Marlins Park. So I have always stayed away from the 3D view and used the 2D with fictional static ballpark pics I've collected or made over the years. This year is a little different. From what I've seen they look like you guys have not just made strides but leaps. But for fictional play is still Marlins Park. As much as I love the 3D enhancements what I'd really love to see is voiced pbp. My dream is to have my laptop on my desk at work listening to my Miami Tropics playing a regular season game while I work. Or in my car driving to work. Now THAT would be something. Text vocalization is around but I'm not sure the technology is "there" yet to where it could make you suspend disbelief that you are not actually listening to a radio broadcast. Hopefully someday soon though.