What Should I Name My MLB Cleveland Franchise

[bwburke94]

Leaving aside the Chief Wahoo issue for the moment, my view on this is simple: this is an MLB (or at least MLB-ish) league, so you should use the real team name.

[NoOne]

The Mistake on the Lake. (MotLs) could call them Spots with a play on "mottle".

or

Burning Rivers

it's falacious logic to restrict yourself to real names no matter what game world you create -- not saying your specific opinion is wrong, but you used a fallacious logic to explain the why. there's no causal relationship or law that requires such a thing for it to be "realistic". there's no reason why it should be the same, it's just your preference., which on it's own is enough reasoning and all the question asked. it's definitely not about right or wrong in this context.

clearly my suggestions wont' be used... i just have distinct memories of driving east and an odd smell from sandusky to cleveland. most larger cities smell like %#$@, though. plus, if you've even been spayed by the water at cedar point, you'd likely have some sort of skin cancer, lol. i live near detroit i know 'bad smell' lol. steam from manholes abound....<vomits>

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some native american tribes are at least tolernt of mascots. they have that prerogative to choose either way. if it is disrespectul to them, they have that right to feel that way and to demand changes.

this is a grey area ONLY when it's not overtly ridiculous. the "jazz" isn't offensive to jazz musicians etc....However, naming a mascot "Chief Wahoo" might be on the side of racist. clearly not depicted in a very respectful way.

we should make an "Ugly Americans" team and see how the majority reacts to that... i gaurantee they'd get their p^nties in a twist over it... hypocrites are a norm not an exception. i can only imagine the simple words coming out of hannity's mounth.

but, i guess other than that and a few other things in history, there's nothing racist about the cleveland Indians and other similar mascots in sports. <i did not type that with a straight face>

i mean they are clearly portrayed in a positive light in cleveland <bwahahaha ahahah>

dark red, huge nose, i'm sure if i looked into the history books i'd find some hilarious stuff to use on this side of the debate... almost gauranteed without even looking because people default is "terrible", lol. 'better' or 'good' must be learned, and that's too much work for most. might have to admit we were wrong about something if we continueally improve.

[jpeters1734]

steamers

[bwburke94]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

steamers

Took long enough for the inevitable.

[Rosco Peabody]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

steamers

Beat me to it.

[CBL-Commish]

Spiders, and have a big promotional thing each year as the team approaches and then passes the 1899 Spiders' total of 20 wins.

[Marsupilami]

Originally Posted by r0nster

voted Indians as there is NOTHING racist about it .... people do not know that the logo was created in a contest back in 1947 (or there abouts) and it was a 17 year old kid who won the contest .... NOTHING racist about it. The racism that's being touted is nothing more than a liberal political tactic to gain a beachhead into a sport that gives us a respite away from daily grind of life. So please learn history if you gonna say its racist

i personally have no objection to indians or the chief logo.

however, just because something was considered "ok" in the past, does not mean it cant be offensive today.

[rpriske]

Of course the Indians name and ESPECIALLY the logo are racist.

Having said that, I have continued to use them in my games because it reflects reality.

However, now that I see those posted uniforms and logos and I am going to change to the team name I WISH the real team would switch to... the Spiders.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by Marsupilami

i personally have no objection to indians or the chief logo.

however, just because something was considered "ok" in the past, does not mean it cant be offensive today.

if it was racist then it would NOT have been used as a logo. It didn't begin to become a racist till the 80s when they didn't succeed at the time with the Redskins and other nicknames on various teams. How come those are not racists such as Reds blackhawks Seminoles just to name a few .... these liberal wack jobs need to find something legitimate to complain about. I do not mind taking arrows for this as sometimes the correct view isn't popular but I am not trying to be that. Could careless about popularity when truth has a ugly way of getting in liberals way. as this Racist charge of the logo only works if people buy into the liberal mindset. Plain and simple. why do people fear the truth so much my goodness.

For others who want to use Spiders as name it was once called Cleveland Spiders before called the Cleveland Indians. Obviously Spiders didn't pan out.

[Marsupilami]

Originally Posted by r0nster

if it was racist then it would NOT have been used as a logo. .

if u actually read what i wrote....
i said that it was probably considered "ok" back then.

HOWEVER, minorities were 2nd class citizens back then. they didnt really have a voice yet

[r0nster]

Yes I read what you said but the problem is consistency with it was OK then but not now. If that's true then the true message was lost or buried to hide the truth.


minority groups had their special interest groups back then big time they just didn't go the public route as they do today and back in the 30s and 40s they began to move out to the public realm and still didn't complain till now when they get enough fools out there to claim it was a racist logo and or name. When PC (policial correct) days came on the scene in the 70s and especially 90s group think became popular. So I reject it wholeheartedly this whole nonsense LIE. As it should be called a LIE in truth. and I will not join blindly to the group think mentality

[Marsupilami]

Originally Posted by r0nster

Yes I read what you said but the problem is consistency with it was OK then but not now. If that's true then the true message was lost or buried to hide the truth.


minority groups had their special interest groups back then big time they just didn't go the public route as they do today and back in the 30s and 40s they began to move out to the public realm and still didn't complain till now when they get enough fools out there to claim it was a racist logo and or name. When PC (policial correct) days came on the scene in the 70s and especially 90s group think became popular. So I reject it wholeheartedly this whole nonsense LIE. As it should be called a LIE in truth. and I will not join blindly to the group think mentality

well, in the past even the church supported slavery. is that too just PC now?

[r0nster]

nice try on that one the Church in America did NOT support slavery as a matter of fact the preachers actually helped in part give rise to the civil war AGAINST slavery. Do you think the Church supports slavery in Africa or middle east even today ???? NOPE didn't think so.
thanks for your efforts

[NoOne]

you don't think churches in the south supported slavery all the way upto the civil war and even beyond (clearly)? they are merely a refelction of the people, and if the people of that region were fine with slavery then the churches were fine with slavery.

Histor shows us that application of religious ideals is 100% arbitrary. that's the true power of the bible... it ambigious and easily warped to mean whatever it is you wish it to mean.

all churches have been wrong about so many things... things they have killed people for just believing differently... churches are man-made and have all the faults of man.

heck, the catholic church was "neutral" about nazi germany (ireland, switzerland et al). they even happily accepted money/assets from them... they are one of the bigger thieves of jewish assets that were stolen.

they killed people for worshipping the wrong god not too long ago. i'm sure some small cults in this world still do similar things.

they hide pedophiles even today! the church is fallble.. the church is not pure "good" .. you'd have to have your head firmly planted in the sand to believe such things.

Religion was used thoroughly on both sides of slavery (and most any controversial topic). That's just one more reason that argument is useless and lacks any integrity... they aren't consistent. they aren't always good. history is littered with examples of their atrocities.. now is no different. a "religions" view on somethign is defintieyl not a logical argument of any kind... no integrity behind it if you know just a modicum of history.

[r0nster]

while I agree on a few points you made and disagree on a few other points we have deviated from the purpose of this subject of the logo and perhaps the name of Indians and logo of Chief Wahoo being racist or not .. my contention was not by any stretch of imagination of it being even remotely even thought to be racists. Culture of PC in the political world has changed to change the meanings of a great many things and one of them is something as stupid as this nonsense. If we really want to get rid of racism it starts from your heart not group think.

[rpriske]

Wow, this is really disappointing nonsense.


Chief Wahoo was ALWAYS racist. It just so happens that people didn't care.

That doesn't make it right. And defending racism does not change what it is.

[Danbo80]

The term Indian didn't exist until the white man began calling them that. Alot of tribes don't like being called Indians. There a people made of many different factions(tribes), They are not Indians! The reason teams like the Seminoles, Black Hawks, hawk eyes and illini are not racist is because there being referred to by there self given tribe name.

As someone else pointed out, the reason no one made a big deal about Chief wahoo until the 80's is because no one cared.


On a side note: Hey OP where did you get that Cleveland logo in the screen shot.

[The Game]

So with the Spiders leading does anyone have some good Spiders logos and jerseys?

[itsmb8]

Originally Posted by The Game

So with the Spiders leading does anyone have some good Spiders logos and jerseys?

I could make a Spiders set for use as a relocation team, I would just need the logos first. If anyone else would want to help on that, it would be greatly appreciated.

[rpriske]

I take you don't like the ones earlier in this thread.

I have adopted those ones.