Are Yu Kidding Me?

AnotherAlias · 02-10-2018, 04:01 PM

Cubs sign Darvish for $126 Million over six years. $150, if you add incentives.

He has been on the DL six times since 2012. I'm a little leery of this deal. Hope it pans out well for the Cubs.

canadiancreed · 02-10-2018, 04:38 PM

I'm just glad we didn't sign him, although that just goes without saying.

Jeffy25 · 02-10-2018, 06:37 PM

Incredibly talented pitcher. But I feel like they are heading into a spending wall within the next few years.

I think in the 2019-2020 off-season, they'll be regretting this deal.

low · 02-10-2018, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

I'm just glad we didn't sign him, although that just goes without saying.

Same here. I'm relieved.

Jeffy25 · 02-10-2018, 07:37 PM

Cubs basically, have a set, core team for the next 4 years. But I can't imagine what their payroll will look like come 2022 when everyone needs to be extended and they are still paying guys like Darvish, Heyward, etc.

The Game · 02-10-2018, 10:45 PM

I've been debating Cubs fans who dislike the signing the last few hours on Twitter. I think it's a good signing. If he does well, they should be able to trade him if need be closer to 2022. 3.44 ERA last year with LAD. 3.51 postseason ERA excluding WS last year. As long as Schwarber does well and they find a CF they should easily win the Central.

Mat · 02-10-2018, 10:47 PM

I usually dont like big free agent signings. But this deal is OK.

Almost exact same amount they gave Lester 3 years ago. They certainly didnt over pay.

Westheim · 02-11-2018, 02:20 AM

Cubs think of it from a different angle, and that Yu Darvish has already used up all his DL stints for the next few years, so he'll pitch 210 innings every year and be awesome for them.

Is it bad when this makes sense in my head?

Leo_The_Lip · 02-12-2018, 10:08 AM

As long as Darvish keeps tipping his pitches, I'm delighted with this.

AnotherAlias · 02-12-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

As long as Darvish keeps tipping his pitches, I'm delighted with this.

LOL.

He won't be. Don't get your hopes up. Pitching coach will correct that. Easy to fix.

Not sure if OOTP has pitchers that tip their pitches sometimes, but it would make a cool addition to the game!

ihatenames · 02-12-2018, 06:19 PM

This is pretty safe as far as long term deals go. Comes out to be about an average of 21 per year. That is acceptable risk in my opinion. If he can stay healthy he’ll easily outplay that contract. Don’t get me wrongf there is risk, but I’m pretty comfortable with that contract.

Let’s put it another way using Fangraphs War to dollars conversion. During an injury shortened 2014 (only 22 starts) he was worth $28.1M. Similarly his injury shortened 2016 (17 starts) was worth $21.9M. In other words, if he can manage at least half a season every year at a similar perfomance level the contract will be worth it. I do expect his performance to obviously drop with age but I suspect he’ll pitch more than enough to make up for it.

msupoke · 02-12-2018, 09:54 PM

I love this signing. Now, the Cubs need to win the NL so the Astros can feast on him in the World Series.

The Game · 02-13-2018, 05:15 AM

One of the guys on High Heat, not Mad Dog, said that Yu has a 5.22 ERA vs playoffs team in 15 G. Not sure if that was just last season or over the past few seasons.

AnotherAlias · 02-13-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

One of the guys on High Heat, not Mad Dog, said that Yu has a 5.22 ERA vs playoffs team in 15 G. Not sure if that was just last season or over the past few seasons.

Career 5.81 in the post season for Yu in 6 games.

Kershaw is 7-7 with a 4.35 ERA in the PS. I would still sign HIM, if given the chance. When signing pitchers, do GMs really put much stock in a player's post season past? Or do they value a pitcher because of his regular season skills? After all, the playoffs aren't a given, if you don't succeed in the regular season.

Yu had a couple of bad WS games last year, because he was tipping pitches. We've all read about that ad infinitum. That can be easily corrected. He also had one bad outing in the playoffs against Toronto, in 2016.

I'm just hoping for the best for the Cubs. Been a long time since their last championship. Maybe 2018 will be the year!

Jeffy25 · 02-13-2018, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

One of the guys on High Heat, not Mad Dog, said that Yu has a 5.22 ERA vs playoffs team in 15 G. Not sure if that was just last season or over the past few seasons.

He has a 5.81 ERA in 26.1 IP, 6 Games in the post-season in his career.

Small sample to care about, but important times.

Jeffy25 · 02-13-2018, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Career 5.81 in the post season for Yu in 6 games.

Kershaw is 7-7 with a 4.35 ERA in the PS. I would still sign HIM, if given the chance. When signing pitchers, do GMs really put much stock in a player's post season past? Or do they value a pitcher because of his regular season skills? After all, the playoffs aren't a given, if you don't succeed in the regular season.

Yu had a couple of bad WS games last year, because he was tipping pitches. We've all read about that ad infinitum. That can be easily corrected. He also had one bad outing in the playoffs against Toronto, in 2016.

I'm just hoping for the best for the Cubs. Been a long time since their last championship. Maybe 2018 will be the year!

Right.

Only a handful of players have a meaningful number of opportunities in the playoffs because of how small they are compared to the regular season careers.

The Game · 02-14-2018, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Career 5.81 in the post season for Yu in 6 games.

Kershaw is 7-7 with a 4.35 ERA in the PS. I would still sign HIM, if given the chance. When signing pitchers, do GMs really put much stock in a player's post season past? Or do they value a pitcher because of his regular season skills? After all, the playoffs aren't a given, if you don't succeed in the regular season.

Yu had a couple of bad WS games last year, because he was tipping pitches. We've all read about that ad infinitum. That can be easily corrected. He also had one bad outing in the playoffs against Toronto, in 2016.

I'm just hoping for the best for the Cubs. Been a long time since their last championship. Maybe 2018 will be the year!

3.41? ERA minus WS. i think he could win 16-18 games. 3.30-3.60 ERA. i still hate your team but for now your team is still better than my team.

The Game · 02-14-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

He has a 5.81 ERA in 26.1 IP, 6 Games in the post-season in his career.

Small sample to care about, but important times.

Stat i posted above was regular season not postseason.

AnotherAlias · 02-14-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

3.41? ERA minus WS. i think he could win 16-18 games. 3.30-3.60 ERA. i still hate your team but for now your team is still better than my team.

Irrelevant Dude · 02-15-2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

Incredibly talented pitcher. But I feel like they are heading into a spending wall within the next few years.

The luxury tax threshold will continue to rise and the Cubs have a new TV deal looming on the horizon. It is true that they will have some difficult financial decisions to make when their young core gets close to free agency, but I don't foresee anything stopping them from continuing to spend money on targeted players, and wading into luxury tax territory when necessary.

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ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	This is pretty safe as far as long term deals go. Comes out to be about an average of 21 per year. That is acceptable risk in my opinion. If he can stay healthy he’ll easily outplay that contract. Don’t get me wrongf there is risk, but I’m pretty comfortable with that contract. Let’s put it another way using Fangraphs War to dollars conversion. During an injury shortened 2014 (only 22 starts) he was worth $28.1M. Similarly his injury shortened 2016 (17 starts) was worth $21.9M. In other words, if he can manage at least half a season every year at a similar perfomance level the contract will be worth it. I do expect his performance to obviously drop with age but I suspect he’ll pitch more than enough to make up for it. __________________ New Album coming soon!

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canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	I'm just glad we didn't sign him, although that just goes without saying.

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Jeffy25 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,506	Incredibly talented pitcher. But I feel like they are heading into a spending wall within the next few years. I think in the 2019-2020 off-season, they'll be regretting this deal.

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Jeffy25 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,506	Cubs basically, have a set, core team for the next 4 years. But I can't imagine what their payroll will look like come 2022 when everyone needs to be extended and they are still paying guys like Darvish, Heyward, etc.

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Mat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 652	I usually dont like big free agent signings. But this deal is OK. Almost exact same amount they gave Lester 3 years ago. They certainly didnt over pay.

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msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	I love this signing. Now, the Cubs need to win the NL so the Astros can feast on him in the World Series. __________________

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The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	One of the guys on High Heat, not Mad Dog, said that Yu has a 5.22 ERA vs playoffs team in 15 G. Not sure if that was just last season or over the past few seasons. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"