Chipper, Vlad, Hoff & Thome make the HOF

Cobra Mgr · 01-24-2018, 06:29 PM

pstrickert · 01-24-2018, 06:31 PM

Deserving, each of them.

mgom27 · 01-24-2018, 06:42 PM

In the OTTP can vote for like 20 so the Voters should be able to. Also no Front Office/Personal getting in but still could. Andy Pettite,David Ortiz,Bobby Abreu and so on will get in the future because haven't been mentioned tonight on MLB Network and do in OTTP.

AirmenSmith · 01-24-2018, 08:35 PM

3 out of the 5 I would have voted for made it. My Ballot

Chipper
Hoffman
E. Martinez
Thome
Kent

Best part was seeing the PED users get less then expected!!!

Jerry Helper · 01-24-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

3 out of the 5 I would have voted for made it. My Ballot

Chipper
Hoffman
E. Martinez
Thome
Kent

Best part was seeing the PED users get less then expected!!!

Kent but not Vlad?

Jeffy25 · 01-24-2018, 10:41 PM

My vote of 10, saw 3 get in (not Hoffman)

Missing are
Edgar
Walker
Mussina
Schilling
Bonds
Clemens
Rolen

Mussina and Schilling are obvious omissions. Edgar is likely going in next year, with Mussina and Rivera (maybe Halladay)

I can't tell if Rolen's support will pick up

Bonds and Clemens, we all know all about.

Walker has the home/road splits, can't tell if he eventually gets in or not.

CONN CHRIS · 01-25-2018, 08:55 AM

Good to see a large number make it - the logjam is getting ridiculous.

Edgar, Mussina, Bonds, Clemens, Kent, Walker Should have all been in by now in my opinion. I guess one way to clear a clog of deserving candidates is to just wait for them to become ineligible. :-(

CONN CHRIS · 01-25-2018, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

Best part was seeing the PED users get less then expected!!!

I would bet that some PED users just got in.

canadiancreed · 01-25-2018, 10:37 AM

It was nice to see Vlad get in the hall. Him, Walker, Martinez....all should have stayed Expos for life, but hard to do when the deck's stacked against you.

Jerry Helper · 01-25-2018, 11:30 AM

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I would bet that some PED users just got in.

It’s funny at this point that anyone thinks PED users are being kept out. If we’re all being honest, there’s a good chance some just got in during the last couple years. And I’d be willing to bet there are guys who got in years ago from the late 80s to early 90s that used too. Canseco said there were users already in during the mid 2000s. The guy is a train wreck in a lot of ways, but he’s been 100% right on any steroid accusation. I believe him!

David Watts · 01-25-2018, 11:53 AM

It would never happen, but how cool would it be if some player that really didn't give a hoot, stood at the podium during his induction speech and said, I used steroids from 1995-2002, but I'm in, so what y'all going to do about it?

canadiancreed · 01-25-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

It would never happen, but how cool would it be if some player that really didn't give a hoot, stood at the podium during his induction speech and said, I used steroids from 1995-2002, but I'm in, so what y'all going to do about it?

They could do what the NHL did with Alan Eagleson and kick him out if there's enough blowback.

David Watts · 01-25-2018, 01:09 PM

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They could do what the NHL did with Alan Eagleson and kick him out if there's enough blowback.

Would love to see which direction public opinion would go in such a case.

AirmenSmith · 01-25-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Kent but not Vlad?

For me I look more at if they are one of the greatest at their respected position. Kent, in my eyes, is one of the best at second base and there are not a lot of great second baseman.

On the other end, I look at Vlad and thing he had an amazing career but the competition for left field is a lot bigger.

I am a small hall guy and you really have to be among the best every at your position.

With that said, if Vlad getting in keeps bonds/clemens/sheffield/manny out then i'm all for it.

AirmenSmith · 01-25-2018, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I would bet that some PED users just got in.

You could be right and if we find out that someone did do PED's then I say kick them out of the hall.

swoboda · 01-25-2018, 03:14 PM

Did anyone watch the MLB Network last night? They seemed to be going out of their way to speak about what great people the new inductees are particularly Thome & Glad.
I took it as their way of addressing the unspoken conversation regarding Bonds and Clemens

Jerry Helper · 01-25-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by swoboda

Did anyone watch the MLB Network last night? They seemed to be going out of their way to speak about what great people the new inductees are particularly Thome & Glad.
I took it as their way of addressing the unspoken conversation regarding Bonds and Clemens

This is another thing I don't get. It is always astonishing to realize how many people think character should be a part of the election process. Talk about simple minds.

The idea that any of us really know who is a good man or not is crazy. A guy might seem nice, treats reporters well, and signs for fans, but you have no idea if that guy beats his wife or does any number of reprehensible acts. In 1993, we all would have said that OJ Simpson was a quality human being. We all would have been wrong, we just didn't know it.

Keep this stuff strictly baseball related. Was the guy a great player or not? this "i think he's a good human being, therefore he gets a nod" is just insane. Also, it's a moot point. Cap Anson is a hall of famer. There are schools of thought that say that Tris Speaker and Rogers Hornsby had connections with the Klan.

Enough pretending like we really know these guys. We don't. Keep it to what happened on the field.

(this isn't some sort of pro PED guy rant either, i'm speaking in general terms)

Cobra Mgr · 01-25-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

This is another thing I don't get. It is always astonishing to realize how many people think character should be a part of the election process. Talk about simple minds.

The idea that any of us really know who is a good man or not is crazy. A guy might seem nice, treats reporters well, and signs for fans, but you have no idea if that guy beats his wife or does any number of reprehensible acts. In 1993, we all would have said that OJ Simpson was a quality human being. We all would have been wrong, we just didn't know it.

Keep this stuff strictly baseball related. Was the guy a great player or not? this "i think he's a good human being, therefore he gets a nod" is just insane. Also, it's a moot point. Cap Anson is a hall of famer. There are schools of thought that say that Tris Speaker and Rogers Hornsby had connections with the Klan.

Enough pretending like we really know these guys. We don't. Keep it to what happened on the field.

(this isn't some sort of pro PED guy rant either, i'm speaking in general terms)

You have a right to your opinion. But calling people simple minded who disagree with you is simple minded in of itself. You're doing the very thing you are criticizing others for.

Jerry Helper · 01-25-2018, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You have a right to your opinion. But calling people simple minded who disagree with you is simple minded in of itself. You're doing the very thing you are criticizing others for.

Dude relax, we're talking about baseball. Forgive me for being dramatic, have a cigarette and try not to take everything so seriously

Cobra Mgr · 01-25-2018, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Dude relax, we're talking about baseball. Forgive me for being dramatic, have a cigarette and try not to take everything so seriously

Talk about baseball all you want. Just don't insult people while you're doing it. I love debate. But when you add insults, it turns to arguing.

01-24-2018, 06:29 PM	#1
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,175	Chipper, Vlad, Hoff & Thome make the HOF Thoughts? __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

01-24-2018, 06:42 PM	#3
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,534	In the OTTP can vote for like 20 so the Voters should be able to. Also no Front Office/Personal getting in but still could. Andy Pettite,David Ortiz,Bobby Abreu and so on will get in the future because haven't been mentioned tonight on MLB Network and do in OTTP. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

01-24-2018, 08:35 PM	#4
AirmenSmith Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 2,094	3 out of the 5 I would have voted for made it. My Ballot Chipper Hoffman E. Martinez Thome Kent Best part was seeing the PED users get less then expected!!! __________________ Come join me on my Twitch Channel for gaming at its excellence Twitch Link

01-25-2018, 08:55 AM	#7
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,089	Good to see a large number make it - the logjam is getting ridiculous. Edgar, Mussina, Bonds, Clemens, Kent, Walker Should have all been in by now in my opinion. I guess one way to clear a clog of deserving candidates is to just wait for them to become ineligible. :-( __________________ Check Out My Cards!

01-25-2018, 03:14 PM	#16
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,230	Did anyone watch the MLB Network last night? They seemed to be going out of their way to speak about what great people the new inductees are particularly Thome & Glad. I took it as their way of addressing the unspoken conversation regarding Bonds and Clemens __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

01-24-2018, 06:31 PM	#2
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,008	Deserving, each of them.

01-24-2018, 10:41 PM	#6
Jeffy25 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,505	My vote of 10, saw 3 get in (not Hoffman) Missing are Edgar Walker Mussina Schilling Bonds Clemens Rolen Mussina and Schilling are obvious omissions. Edgar is likely going in next year, with Mussina and Rivera (maybe Halladay) I can't tell if Rolen's support will pick up Bonds and Clemens, we all know all about. Walker has the home/road splits, can't tell if he eventually gets in or not.

01-25-2018, 10:37 AM	#9
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	It was nice to see Vlad get in the hall. Him, Walker, Martinez....all should have stayed Expos for life, but hard to do when the deck's stacked against you.

01-25-2018, 11:53 AM	#11
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,141 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	It would never happen, but how cool would it be if some player that really didn't give a hoot, stood at the podium during his induction speech and said, I used steroids from 1995-2002, but I'm in, so what y'all going to do about it?