GM of Detroit Tigers

[Cod]

Has anyone been able to successfully trade Miguel Cabrera from the Tigers?

I started a new game today with Detroit and trying to do everything in my power to move him out of town to free up funds. All of my efforts have led to nothing. I've shipped out Kinsler and cash for a pretty good 18 year old prospect and moved Victor Martinez / Michael Fullmer for multiple prospects. I hate parting with Fullmer, but needed to get Martinez off the books and start building up the minor league system that Dombroski destroyed.

[NoOne]

heh, dumbroski left because illitch was destroying his reputation. illitch was the desperate one. blame it on illitch where it belongs. sick of that guy being deified in this area.

you do realize he was a major cause of urban blight for 30years or more? boutght up lots, let them go to waste, drew down other local lot's value and bought it all up slowly over time.. .no joke.. no conspiracy. just a fact of history. the man helped make deteriorate detroit from within for decades for his own selfish, greedy end-game.

if you want to get rid of him, use the 'shop around' but don't take any of the offers -- at least not intitially. look for teams that offer the most -- not 35year olds... players with actual value, even if it's a 24/80 overall.

now, go to test out that list of teams in the make a trade screen and try trading for the worst mil player ever or one with 1 year and a big contract etc. cabrera has value should find something even if not a prospect, martinez is total $#@-heap. who cares what you get back from a steaming $%@-heap as long as it's someone else's steaming pile of #$@%.

you shouldn't have to package fulmer to get rid of martinez, either.

[ptautscher]

I have got rid of cabrera and even had offers sent to me for him. Although its an arduous task and generally involves taking on some of his salary on his frankly ridiculous contract.

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[Romagoth]

I was able to trade him to the Cubs one time, and I believe Houston or the Dodgers as well. It's not easy, but definitely possible.

[Marsupilami]

its possible, though rarely in a real trade, more likely it will be a dump where u have to sweeten the pot

[Romagoth]

Bigger problem I have as Tigers GM is moving Zimmermann. That contract is just awful.

[Cod]

Originally Posted by NoOne

heh, dumbroski left because illitch was destroying his reputation. illitch was the desperate one. blame it on illitch where it belongs. sick of that guy being deified in this area.

So are you going to blame the ownership in Montreal and Florida as well? The guy depletes minor league systems because he has no idea how to develop players. Over his entire career, the teams he put together have a combined record below .500. Yeah, blame the owners...they weren't the best necessarily, but a good GM can put together a semi-good team. . EDIT: Forgot to mention...look at what he did to Boston in his first year. Traded a highly regarded 3B for a relief pitcher. Look at how that turned out for him.

Back to being the Tiger's GM, I'm trying to keep the trades realistic. Packaging Fulmer with Martinez made the deal fair in my eyes. Giving away Miggy (or any of the terrible contracts) for any talented prospects would feel like cheating the AI in my opinion.

[Romagoth]

Originally Posted by Cod

So are you going to blame the ownership in Montreal and Florida as well? The guy depletes minor league systems because he has no idea how to develop players. Over his entire career, the teams he put together have a combined record below .500. Yeah, blame the owners...they weren't the best necessarily, but a good GM can put together a semi-good team. . EDIT: Forgot to mention...look at what he did to Boston in his first year. Traded a highly regarded 3B for a relief pitcher. Look at how that turned out for him.

Back to being the Tiger's GM, I'm trying to keep the trades realistic. Packaging Fulmer with Martinez made the deal fair in my eyes. Giving away Miggy (or any of the terrible contracts) for any talented prospects would feel like cheating the AI in my opinion.

I just made this trade about 15 minutes ago as Tigers GM:

To the Chicago Cubs:

C Alex Avila
2B Ian Kinsler
LF Justin Upton
CL Justin Wilson
RP Gerson Moreno

To the Detroit Tigers:

RP David Berg
RF Eloy Jimenez
SP Jose Albertos
3B Jeimer Candelario
SS Aramis Ademan

The Cubs are in Win Now mode and they got some solid pieces for a serious WS run, while I was able to start replenishing my farm system and shed salary. Jimenez is obviously the big name in this deal regarding prospects, but in real life the Cubs traded him to White Sox for arguably less than what they got from me. Albertos and Ademan may or may not turn into good players for me, and Candelario looks like the real deal. Overall, I see it as a fair trade for the most part. I didn't give the AI any "junk" players in my opinion.

Zimmermann, Hernandez, and Verlander are proving more difficult to move for sure.

[TuckerDuckson]

Originally Posted by Cod

So are you going to blame the ownership in Montreal and Florida as well? The guy depletes minor league systems because he has no idea how to develop players. Over his entire career, the teams he put together have a combined record below .500. Yeah, blame the owners...they weren't the best necessarily, but a good GM can put together a semi-good team. . EDIT: Forgot to mention...look at what he did to Boston in his first year. Traded a highly regarded 3B for a relief pitcher. Look at how that turned out for him.

Back to being the Tiger's GM, I'm trying to keep the trades realistic. Packaging Fulmer with Martinez made the deal fair in my eyes. Giving away Miggy (or any of the terrible contracts) for any talented prospects would feel like cheating the AI in my opinion.

Well, Montreal and Florida are not the best options when it comes to the whole "the owners didn't do nuffin"

Pretty sure Loria called for the fire sale after the World Series victory, and Montreal was a basic lolcow when it comes to ownership, especially in the financial front.

Still, Dombrowski isn't exactly a saint in this, he's a yes man. He indugles owner's requests so he can get paid, it's basically the shining example of a person just following what his boss says to a tee.

Dombrowski may be a frugal prospect trader, but his biggest problem is that he's a terrible drafter, and when you are a terrible drafter, then you are pretty much going to earn the label of a terrible developer of talent, because the kids you draft have like zero talent. Literally, he got lucky with Verlander because it was obvious he was going to go at least two because he wouldn't sign with the Padres.

So basically he was responsible for drafting Porcello and Smyly in the pitching front, that's really it. Andy Oliver, Jacob Turner, Andrew Miller, Ryan Perry all fizzled because of his absolute lack of sense when it came to "no." On the offensive front we have what? Nick Castellanos? He struck out big on Maybin, by passing over McCutchen. I mean Derek Hill is nice I guess.

He wanted to show off his MLB ready "prospects" to potential trade suitors as to please the owner Ilitch who wanted a World Series Ring before he croaked. That's why Dombrowski is like this, it's worked for him in the past, so why not keep it going?

(Also, on the Shaw/Thornburg trade, the fault wasn't really on Dombrowksi. Thornburg read the workout schedule wrong, or something and did it wrong and ended up developing TOS. You can't really scout one's intiutiveness when it comes to warm ups. Besides if anything you should be bringing up they sent more than Shaw, mainly Maurico Dubon, who's on the Brewers 40 man already.)

[ptautscher]

Originally Posted by Romagoth

I just made this trade about 15 minutes ago as Tigers GM:

To the Chicago Cubs:

C Alex Avila
2B Ian Kinsler
LF Justin Upton
CL Justin Wilson
RP Gerson Moreno

To the Detroit Tigers:

RP David Berg
RF Eloy Jimenez
SP Jose Albertos
3B Jeimer Candelario
SS Aramis Ademan

The Cubs are in Win Now mode and they got some solid pieces for a serious WS run, while I was able to start replenishing my farm system and shed salary. Jimenez is obviously the big name in this deal regarding prospects, but in real life the Cubs traded him to White Sox for arguably less than what they got from me. Albertos and Ademan may or may not turn into good players for me, and Candelario looks like the real deal. Overall, I see it as a fair trade for the most part. I didn't give the AI any "junk" players in my opinion.

Zimmermann, Hernandez, and Verlander are proving more difficult to move for sure.

Thats a hell of a trade. Albertos always works out as an elite pitcher. Good job

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[Romagoth]

Originally Posted by ptautscher

Thats a hell of a trade. Albertos always works out as an elite pitcher. Good job

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That's good to hear, I'm excited to see what Albertos becomes then.

[RubeBaker]

Originally Posted by Cod

Has anyone been able to successfully trade Miguel Cabrera from the Tigers?

I started a new game today with Detroit and trying to do everything in my power to move him out of town to free up funds. All of my efforts have led to nothing. I've shipped out Kinsler and cash for a pretty good 18 year old prospect and moved Victor Martinez / Michael Fullmer for multiple prospects. I hate parting with Fullmer, but needed to get Martinez off the books and start building up the minor league system that Dombroski destroyed.

Try negotiating with a GM named Ruben Amaro if he's in your game. There's no bad contract he won't be glad to pick up.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Cod

So are you going to blame the ownership in Montreal and Florida as well? The guy depletes minor league systems because he has no idea how to develop players. Over his entire career, the teams he put together have a combined record below .500. Yeah, blame the owners...they weren't the best necessarily, but a good GM can put together a semi-good team. . EDIT: Forgot to mention...look at what he did to Boston in his first year. Traded a highly regarded 3B for a relief pitcher. Look at how that turned out for him.

Back to being the Tiger's GM, I'm trying to keep the trades realistic. Packaging Fulmer with Martinez made the deal fair in my eyes. Giving away Miggy (or any of the terrible contracts) for any talented prospects would feel like cheating the AI in my opinion.

well it's 2 parts, obviously. mentioning one doesn't preclude the other.

in this case i think dumbrowski is viewed as at least competent by the majority of baseball people. imo, he's a bit full of himself to be great at what he does. he's someone who thinks his eye is good enough (hubris). bet that has changed in boston, though.

multiple times he was told to hop-to by the owner and he did. it's tough to know what was his mistake and what was the irrational and desperate whims of a billionaire that helped suck the life out of detroit over 4 decades buying up property and letting it rot to lower value of other property he later bought up. evil, evil man. he had negatively impacted millions of people in his life... far more than he has helped. (simple economics of being a billionaire)

(for legal reasons ill say: what if i said his son is a coke-head and more than one of the trust-fund relatives are crack-heads with at least one crack-baby being born. a typical entitled, powerful family -- drug addicts and objectively bad people, lol.. would i be wrong? hmm i sound like fox news)

no i don't solely blame illitch, but he is the biggest factor as to why the tigers are so @#%$ed for the next 3-5 years. by far the largest causal factor.

as far as teh trades? whatever floats your boat as far as fairness. bad gm's do make bad trades... shouldn't precludes yourself from those opportunities. the ai asks for a ton in return for anythign of value... i want to know how people are getting so much more that it's taking advantage of the AI?

[ThePretender]

Depends on what your goal is.

If it's to dump the contract, so you free up the money ASAP, then try to take on a lot of salary over a short period of time. With Boston you can try taking on Castillo/Ramirez/Sandoval - that's 162M or so, while Cabrera is owed 220M. Cabrera is signed through 2023 and has a buyout in 2024, so if you do this you're free of his contract by 2020. So Cabrera would make 28M or so in 2017, you'd be taking on 42-52m in 2017. Costs you a little more upfront, but you're free of the contract sooner, and save some money. You can do something similar with the Dodgers.

If the goal is to get talent, you can ask for prospects, and do something similar. Take back a bad contract to pull it off. You can retain salary, but I don't recommend that because you'll be on the hook for money for a longer period of time.

Alternatively, you can dump the entire contract on a team, potentially add a prospect of your own, and acquire a player/prospect. You'd get far less in return than you would if you took on salary, so maybe you'd only get one piece here, but you'd be free of the salary.

You should be able to use any of these strategies even on challenge mode. I'm kind of curious to try it later.

[thirdsaint]

As an Indians fan, I thoroughly enjoyed the Tigers extending Miggy a full two years before his contract was up only to realize later that had they simply waited they wouldn't have likely paid a dime, or at least less dimes.

[ThePretender]

Ok so you can dump Miguel Cabrera for fewer salaries than I thought, which is surprising. I was able to trade Miggy straight up for McCarthy, who is owed 10/10 then has a buyout. So you save $200M, and you don't retain any salary. So instead of waiting till mid 2020's for Miggy's deal to end, you're free of McCarthy's salary by 2019.

If your goal is to get a prospect, you can dump the entire contract, add 1-2 prospects of your own, and get a pretty stellar prospect back in return. This is a great idea, because you dump 200M, don't take back McCarthy's salary, add a pair of prospects who I feel are less valuable than the one you're getting. So you free yourself of all the $$, and you get a quality player in return to help the rebuild.

And as a way to lower the cost in terms of prospects you move, you can get a return of McCarthy + the prospect you want. So you take more cash than in scenario #2, but you save more prospects. And also you can flip various veteran players of your own, which offsets the cost of taking on McCarthy.

I was actually surprised how easy it is to move it in Challenge Mode. If you're creative enough you can really reboot the Tigers rebuild pretty fast.

Tigers trade:

Miguel Cabrera
SP Matt Manning (probably a RP long term)
RP Francisco Rodriguez (6M, not elite, 35, pending FA)
Beau Burrows (20 pot rp)

LAD trades:

RF Alex Verdugo
SP Trevor Oaks
RP Brandon McCarthy

Like that's a fantastic deal considering what you're doing. You save $200M+, you swap a RP spec in Manning for a SP who is basically MLB ready in Oak, you get Verdugo who's a great OF prospect. Verdugo's also maybe a month or two away from being MLB ready. So both guys you're getting can make an immediate impact. If I had more time I could probably get another prospect off of LAD. And keep in mind this is on challenge mode settings, so heavily favour prospects + very hard to trade.

If I was playing with 10/5 or NTC off, or I could trade injured players, I could trade for Adrian Gonzalez, Ethier, or Kazmir, and use their salaries to offset Miggy and give up fewer prospects. But I think if you're having trouble flipping Miggy you need to be way more creative, cause I think it's too easy to move him.

And thinking about it, why would LAD really want Cabrera? They have Turner, Gonzalez, Bellinger. So corner IF isn't something they need. Yet they'd do this trade and make 2/3 of those guys be backups or in AAA. So they'd either have Turner (16M) or Gonzalez (22M) or Cabrera (25M?) on the bench. So that's an issue that might need to be looked into as well. Why would the AI want to acquire a 1B when they already have a pair who are quite good?

[r0nster]

was able to dump Verlander in my 2017 season (Save started in 2013) Gave up Verlander 6 minor leaguers from AAA and first 2nd 3rd round picks just for Jose Fernandez and one AAA pitcher.... turned out to be the best gamble and best trade I have ever done.... Yes it took me that long to find a deal in game years and literally took me 6 months

[r0nster]

should add the only way I was able to get rid of caberra was benching him then traded him one or 2 game months later this worked out for the AI and I ended up taking a hit as I risked trading for 2 AA players I was fine with it as I did have a minor leaguer I was grooming to take his place anyways