Before I post....

Padreman · 02-09-2017, 02:25 PM

In the recommendation area I just want to see if this even will even have support or not.
Adding Palmball, Slurve, Euphus Pitches? One of them? One of them?

Also pitching style (three-quarters, overhand, sidearm, submarine, tornado, orthodox etc)

Your thoughts?
You can vote for more than one

thorpegiovanni · 02-09-2017, 02:43 PM

Pitching styles for sure. Also palm and slurve.

JaBurns · 02-09-2017, 06:42 PM

Pitching Styles would love to see a submariner.

NoOne · 02-09-2017, 06:56 PM

adding a pitch isn't a problem as far as effort... but a pitch style would re-work alot of things - unelss it was purely asthetic... at which point i'd ask why? but that's me.

i like the idea of it - how it would effect movemtn and various pitches being better or worse for the style - it would add a wholely new aspect to be considered about pitchers.

but, all of that would require fitting it into and altering the balance of how a pitcher is defined in the game... that's not a simple add-in like a new pitch profile. how does it effect all the numerous factors in the game? that's more research too than what you need for a new pitch type.

a behaviour is more difficult, but a thing, like a pitch, is easy to add. i'd shoot of next year's suggestions on somethign like that. (ootp '19 - in 2018)

texasmame · 02-10-2017, 10:35 AM

How would any of this impact game play? Or are you thinking this is merely a cosmetic thing?

Mr. Marlin · 02-10-2017, 11:03 AM

What I'd like to see for us "stats only" players is a scout critique of each pitchers individual pitches added to the text of the scouting report. Like what Baseball Prospectus writes:

Quote:

Strengths: Excellent size; remaining projection; loose arm; big arm strength; fastball works in the low-mid 90s; can sit in plus-plus velocity and touch higher; good movement; hard curveball has wipeout potential; slider velocity and two-plane break; changeup will flash above-average potential in the mid-80s with late action.

Weaknesses: Well below-average command; release point/slot inconsistency; can get around on the curve and lose snap/rotation; more slurvy action and less bite; changeup is often overthrown and true; more deliberate with secondary stuff.

Padreman · 02-10-2017, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

What I'd like to see for us "stats only" players is a scout critique of each pitchers individual pitches added to the text of the scouting report. Like what Baseball Prospectus writes:

Yes this is very highly needed

LunchBox · 02-10-2017, 04:22 PM

How about the addition of the spitball, since from beginning to 1920 it was a legal pitch

injury log · 02-10-2017, 05:57 PM

Adding arm slots to OOTP is critically important if we want a realistic pitching model. Guys who throw over-the-top have different characteristics (statistically) from guys who throw 3/4 or submarine (the lower the slot, the lower the velo and the higher the GB rate and platoon split). Most importantly, if OOTP listed arm slots that would be the fastest way to identify a LH specialist reliever - just find the drop-down guy.

IStillDream · 02-10-2017, 06:47 PM

This is a great idea–especially Arm Slot and Spitball.

Also, I'd love to see low-rated minor league pitchers occasionally try adding knuckleballs to their repertoire.

Padreman · 02-14-2017, 11:05 AM

OOTP the masses have spoken

Craig Scarborough · 02-14-2017, 01:27 PM

I would wholeheartedly embrace adding pitching styles, but only if it WASN'T purely aesthetic and had real empirical data surrounding it.

Padreman · 02-14-2017, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

I would wholeheartedly embrace adding pitching styles, but only if it WASN'T purely aesthetic and had real empirical data surrounding it.

%100 agree

Craig Scarborough · 02-17-2017, 09:20 AM

If the developers are thinking about it, here's some info I found - this a post from a person called "laflippin" on another message board:

I've personally done the exercise that I suggested in another thread...that is, I spent a rainy day last April compiling the pitching rosters for all 30 MLB teams. Then, I went to the Getty Images site and looked up all ~420 of them. Out of the total ~420 pitchers, I found usable photos of their release point for about 380. I grouped them into RHPs and LHPs and then further broke down these groups into subsets of "over-the-top", "high 3/4", "low 3/4", sidearm, and submarine. After that, the math was simple: In April, 2008, by the definitions I used, there was a total (RHP and LHP combined) of 11% sidearm pitchers in MLB. There was a total of about 7% over-the-top pitchers. There was a total of 2.5% of pitchers who gave clear evidence of using 2 distinctly different arm-slots (one of these was almost always sidearm).

Obviously the information above is not verified, but it's a start, right?

View Poll Results: To be in the game or not?
Add Euphus Pitch	1	1.19%
Add Slurve	14	16.67%
Add Palmball	9	10.71%
Add Pitching Styles	38	45.24%
Add ALL	33	39.29%
ADD none of these	10	11.90%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

02-09-2017, 02:25 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	Before I post.... In the recommendation area I just want to see if this even will even have support or not. Adding Palmball, Slurve, Euphus Pitches? One of them? One of them? Also pitching style (three-quarters, overhand, sidearm, submarine, tornado, orthodox etc) Your thoughts? You can vote for more than one __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors Last edited by Padreman; 02-09-2017 at 02:27 PM.

02-09-2017, 02:43 PM	#2
thorpegiovanni All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 550	Pitching styles for sure. Also palm and slurve. __________________

02-10-2017, 10:35 AM	#5
texasmame All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Planet Texas Posts: 1,709	How would any of this impact game play? Or are you thinking this is merely a cosmetic thing? __________________ Managing and rebuilding the 98-loss TOKYO THUNDER.

02-14-2017, 11:05 AM	#11
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,131	OOTP the masses have spoken __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

02-09-2017, 06:42 PM	#3
JaBurns All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Kelowna, British Columbia Posts: 1,301	Pitching Styles would love to see a submariner.

02-09-2017, 06:56 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	adding a pitch isn't a problem as far as effort... but a pitch style would re-work alot of things - unelss it was purely asthetic... at which point i'd ask why? but that's me. i like the idea of it - how it would effect movemtn and various pitches being better or worse for the style - it would add a wholely new aspect to be considered about pitchers. but, all of that would require fitting it into and altering the balance of how a pitcher is defined in the game... that's not a simple add-in like a new pitch profile. how does it effect all the numerous factors in the game? that's more research too than what you need for a new pitch type. a behaviour is more difficult, but a thing, like a pitch, is easy to add. i'd shoot of next year's suggestions on somethign like that. (ootp '19 - in 2018)

02-10-2017, 04:22 PM	#8
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 246	How about the addition of the spitball, since from beginning to 1920 it was a legal pitch

02-10-2017, 05:57 PM	#9
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Adding arm slots to OOTP is critically important if we want a realistic pitching model. Guys who throw over-the-top have different characteristics (statistically) from guys who throw 3/4 or submarine (the lower the slot, the lower the velo and the higher the GB rate and platoon split). Most importantly, if OOTP listed arm slots that would be the fastest way to identify a LH specialist reliever - just find the drop-down guy.

02-10-2017, 06:47 PM	#10
IStillDream Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 167	This is a great idea–especially Arm Slot and Spitball. Also, I'd love to see low-rated minor league pitchers occasionally try adding knuckleballs to their repertoire.

02-14-2017, 01:27 PM	#12
Craig Scarborough All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 551	I would wholeheartedly embrace adding pitching styles, but only if it WASN'T purely aesthetic and had real empirical data surrounding it.

02-17-2017, 09:20 AM	#14
Craig Scarborough All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 551	If the developers are thinking about it, here's some info I found - this a post from a person called "laflippin" on another message board: I've personally done the exercise that I suggested in another thread...that is, I spent a rainy day last April compiling the pitching rosters for all 30 MLB teams. Then, I went to the Getty Images site and looked up all ~420 of them. Out of the total ~420 pitchers, I found usable photos of their release point for about 380. I grouped them into RHPs and LHPs and then further broke down these groups into subsets of "over-the-top", "high 3/4", "low 3/4", sidearm, and submarine. After that, the math was simple: In April, 2008, by the definitions I used, there was a total (RHP and LHP combined) of 11% sidearm pitchers in MLB. There was a total of about 7% over-the-top pitchers. There was a total of 2.5% of pitchers who gave clear evidence of using 2 distinctly different arm-slots (one of these was almost always sidearm). Obviously the information above is not verified, but it's a start, right?