Can someone explain why Promotion/Relegation is...

[T-Bone]

.....such a big deal?

How would this work in a MLB type league and why do we like it so well?

Thanks!!

[threesportgeek]

Because people want baseball to be like American football or soccer if you will. It is a unique format.

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[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Personally, I think it's one of the oddest most requested features, but hey to each their own.

I'm wondering if it will allow for me to reactivate defunct teams or transfer defunct teams to new cities, but I don't know if that's been addressed.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by threesportgeek

Because people want baseball to be like American football or soccer if you will. It is a unique format.

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American Football?

[Padreman]

Yeah truthfully I see this on here a lot to me and makes absolutely no sense because to me it's not part of baseball but like said in a previous post to each his own

[Orioles1966]

I want a neutral site game schedule and that's no part of MLB or any baseball league.

Playing the same 8 team league over and over again gets boring after awhile.

I never play the same league the same two season's in a row.

It keeps me interested in the game seeing something different all the time.

[Rain King]

It is because people here are also fans of other sports that have this type of format. When you give a group of people the ability to customize their world, they start to think outside the box of baseball. They are football fans, so they want the ability to create a league that functions like the top football leagues in the world.

[tward13]

Wondering if FM allows you to recreate the world of soccer as if it was Major league baseball?

[tward13]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Yeah truthfully I see this on here a lot to me and makes absolutely no sense because to me it's not part of baseball but like said in a previous post to each his own

Same here. As with the one or two here who regularly call for other things that aren't relevant to playing MLB. My only concern is if they get in the way of the team better perfecting the MLB experience.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by Rain King

It is because people here are also fans of other sports that have this type of format. When you give a group of people the ability to customize their world, they start to think outside the box of baseball. They are football fans, so they want the ability to create a league that functions like the top football leagues in the world.

I get that, but do not understand how it works. Can someone provide an example using MLB teams?

[Mr. Marlin]

The Europeans don't screw around when it comes to sports. They don't just send down players, they send down whole teams. "Hey Padres... you suck. To the PCL you go. The El Paso Chihuahuas are now in the NL West."

Well, folks have been asking for it forever so I'm glad they are getting it. I will never use it but different strokes and all that...

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

The Europeans don't screw around when it comes to sports. They don't just send down players, they send down whole teams. "Hey Padres... you suck. To the PCL you go. The El Paso Chihuahuas are now in the NL West."

Well, folks have been asking for it forever so I'm glad they are getting it. I will never use it but different strokes and all that...

Interesting, but in MLB, the PCL teams are affiliated with a MLB team and their players "belong" to the parent club. As such, that would not work here, correct?

[CivicEvo]

Originally Posted by Rain King

It is because people here are also fans of other sports that have this type of format. When you give a group of people the ability to customize their world, they start to think outside the box of baseball. They are football fans, so they want the ability to create a league that functions like the top football leagues in the world.

Exactly. The biggest reason I play OOTP more than any other game is the immersion I have with my fictional league. I don't even "play" as a team, just create and expand on the world I have and keep detailed stats and history offline. Promotion/relegation is something I've considered adding and to now have that option to do it non-manually is awesome. Tournaments too -creating Champions Leagues and National Tournaments is a big undertaking right now. These are just huge adds for purely fictional players.

Originally Posted by T-Bone

Interesting, but in MLB, the PCL teams are affiliated with a MLB team and their players "belong" to the parent club. As such, that would not work here, correct?

Correct. That's one reason among many - the distribution of wealth among MLB teams to AAA teams is another. It's just not the way North America does their sports. To be honest, in real life, I like the way we do it better than Europe. But for the purposes of the game where I have no real loyalty to a team but to the universe, it's a lot more fun.

[T.J. Lauerman]

Originally Posted by T-Bone

I get that, but do not understand how it works. Can someone provide an example using MLB teams?

Example: Let's say you have 3 leagues, A (Top), B (Middle), C (Bottom). The goal is to be the best team in the A league.

Teams that finish in the bottom x spots in the A league, would fall to the B league for the next year. The bottom x teams in the B league would fall to C.

The x teams that finish at the top of B and C would move up a level for the next season.

In soccer (futbol) smaller leagues usually have smaller budgets and can't afford top talent, but as them move up, they'd bring in more fans and be able to get better talent.

That's the gist, if you want to get super deep, here's the Wikiepedia for the English football league system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis..._league_system

[Statsman1]

If you believe that a schedule of 162 games is enough to determine who the best team is, then you don't need playoffs.

The promotion/relegation system will appeal to those with a different perspective as to what the regular season determines.

In MLB, after 162 games, to have 4 teams make the playoffs in each league, you're saying that you need 162 games to find the top 8 teams...sort of. In that scenario, the team that finishes with the best won-lost record over 162 games might NOT win the championship...but haven't they already proven they're the best team?

I like the relegation system and the elimination of the playoffs, even though I live in Canada, and the dratted Jays only made the playoffs last year due to the wonked-out system MLB uses. This, to me, is a very interesting feature, as a team in Division 4 cannot get lucky one year and win the overall title (because you have to win the Premiership to be the best team in English football)...but they CAN move up to Division 3, and try again to keep climbing the ranks. Nobody goes from worst to first, in that sense.

Last year, Leicester City couldn't have won the title, and been so newsworthy last year, if they weren't already in the Premier Division. If they were in the Third Division, maybe it wouldn't have been so fantastic.

[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Originally Posted by Rain King

It is because people here are also fans of other sports that have this type of format. When you give a group of people the ability to customize their world, they start to think outside the box of baseball. They are football fans, so they want the ability to create a league that functions like the top football leagues in the world.

Yup you're right, also should be fun to see the dynasties with how people are implementing it. I might even end up giving it a shot despite this being something I never would've thought about.

Best part of this community/game is things like that.

[nico1270]

Baseball leagues across Europe do have promotion and relegation (Italy,Netherlands, Spain for example). So, yes, it's part of the baseball universe.

[slugger922cubs]

I love P/R for me its a huge desire for fictional leagues because I prefer to have a completely different financial model than the American franchise model with affiliated minor leagues.
P/R has never developed in the American sports landscape because of geographic spread. For travel reasons its unreasonable to play a balanced schedule in the states thus pretty much necessitating playoffs. Soccer teams are packed geographically meaning that as they move up or drop down thier travel budgets are not really affected. Also if a team drops down fans flock to another nearby team that maybe moving in up. There are 12 football teams in London iirc. Where as American teams have monopolies on their markets. 90% of markets have 1 team. If you drop down a level theres nowhere else for fans to go.

[GoBucsGo]

Originally Posted by nico1270

Baseball leagues across Europe do have promotion and relegation (Italy,Netherlands, Spain for example). So, yes, it's part of the baseball universe.

Americans seem to forget baseball exists in European countries lol.

[threesportgeek]

Imagine that? Sports becoming international. Interesting concept.

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