Roster Adjustments Due to Real Life Player Deaths

Padreman · 01-22-2017, 11:58 AM

Royals pitcher Yordano Ventura dies in crash | MLB.com

I know this is not in the right Forum but it doesn't apply here. Rosters would need to be adjusted and over the last few years this has happened quite a bit perhaps the game needs to make a storyline this fit this and unfortunately have players pass away

RchW · 01-22-2017, 12:10 PM

I think it's inappropriate to be concerned how this applies in-game at this time

Déjà Bru · 01-22-2017, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I think it's inappropriate to be concerned how this applies in-game at this time

Perhaps, but give Padreman a break. It's not likely that the family of Yordano Ventura will be reading this thread and be horrified.

RchW · 01-22-2017, 12:27 PM

No, it was inappropriate. I do not agree with it and think this thread should be deleted. Do I have to report it or will the right thing be done.

Déjà Bru · 01-22-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

No, it was inappropriate. I do not agree with it and think this thread should be deleted. Do I have to report it or will the right thing be done.

Wow. Ok, Rich. Maybe Talk Sports or OT?

P.S. - There is a thread going on in Talk Sports. Maybe merge this one into that.

RchW · 01-22-2017, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Wow. Ok, Rich. Maybe Talk Sports or OT?

There is already an appropriate thread in talk sports. That should be the only place right now for this discussion.

Padreman · 01-22-2017, 12:54 PM

To offend was not my intent

zappa1 · 01-22-2017, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Royals pitcher Yordano Ventura dies in crash | MLB.com

I know this is not in the right Forum but it doesn't apply here. Rosters would need to be adjusted and over the last few years this has happened quite a bit perhaps the game needs to make a storyline this fit this and unfortunately have players pass away

I didn't know where to post about Greg Jelks, either. I thought in general discussions. Anyway, sad news indeed. RIP

rmoons24 · 01-22-2017, 03:40 PM

Actually it was in no way inappropriate, he stated that he knew it was the wrong forum, but he brought up a valid point which has much to do with OOTP. I understand that you may be dealing with many emotions right now as is to be expected with an event like this, but don't take those emotions out on other posters.

RchW · 01-22-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rmoons24

Actually it was in no way inappropriate, he stated that he knew it was the wrong forum, but he brought up a valid point which has much to do with OOTP. I understand that you may be dealing with many emotions right now as is to be expected with an event like this, but don't take those emotions out on other posters.

I'm not emotional. Simply stating that to be concerned about a game when a young man just died is very clearly inappropriate as well as in the wrong forum as you have acknowledged. Posts in the wrong forum should be moved or deleted. Just my opinion of course.

I'm curious how there could be any misunderstanding here.

dmacgreg37 · 01-22-2017, 04:13 PM

I have no issue with the thread whatsoever. That being said, this is not a storyline I'd like to be brought into the game in any way.

bwburke94 · 01-22-2017, 08:17 PM

And there might be licensing problems, of course.

Reggie · 01-22-2017, 08:19 PM

I like the game to be as real as possible..but maybe not that real. I don't want things like domestic abuse or alcohol problems either, I don't think.

bwburke94 · 01-22-2017, 08:21 PM

And remember, OOTP rosters are as of Opening Day. Any midseason deaths would not be reflected in the roster set.

thorpegiovanni · 01-23-2017, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie

I like the game to be as real as possible..but maybe not that real. I don't want things like domestic abuse or alcohol problems either, I don't think.

Domestic abuse & DUIs are a BIG no-no. Would be a horrendous idea to add such events in a game, to downplay the seriousness. And yes, neither are deaths during careers. Wouldn't mind seeing deaths in fictional leagues after retirements, but certainly nothing crazy.

jpeters1734 · 01-23-2017, 08:55 AM

It's not inappropriate to talk about death. It's a natural part of life. Just because you're uncomfortable with it, doesn't mean everyone has to.

It is very sad. I actually like to honor the players by completing their careers whenever I play an MLB game. I've brought Oscar Taveres back in this version and last. I'll bring Ventura, Jose, and Marte back next version. It's a way to get some closure.

It is a legitimate idea for the next version. Tragedies do happen. They also immortalize the player. It's an important part of baseball history. Though there is a way to include these tragedies without being too graphic. You could simply have a storyline where a player gets into an accident and suffers a CEI.

Adding stuff like this actually has some gameplay effects. Losing a top prospect or ace pitcher can be franchise altering. It should be in the game.

mmarra82 · 01-23-2017, 11:00 AM

I do not see how adding a story line about a player passing is a good thing for the game. Yes, death is part of life but to have this a part of our game would be inappropriate in my opinion.

jpeters1734 · 01-23-2017, 11:48 AM

Inappropriate keeps being used. Why does it offend you? Why is it inappropriate?

RchW · 01-23-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Inappropriate keeps being used. Why does it offend you? Why is it inappropriate?

The OP and the original title which was changed were inappropriate in their timing with respect to the just announced deaths yesterday. If Padreman had waited a day or two I would not have objected. I have no issues with deaths being represented in game. This thread, how it was posted was in very bad taste and I'll continue to say that for as long as dismissive posts continue to come in.

The original post acknowledged it was wrong. I agreed with that and proposed a remedy which unfortunately was not done. C'est la vie.

BIG17EASY · 01-23-2017, 12:09 PM

Appropriate or not, I'm not sure why this needed to be brought up again. We had the same discussion/argument a few months ago when Jose Fernandez passed away, both in terms of how the game should handle it and appropriateness for discussion. Nothing has changed since then and I suspect it's not going to any time soon. So maybe we can just let this go?

01-22-2017, 11:58 AM	#1
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01-22-2017, 12:10 PM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I think it's inappropriate to be concerned how this applies in-game at this time __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-22-2017, 12:27 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	No, it was inappropriate. I do not agree with it and think this thread should be deleted. Do I have to report it or will the right thing be done. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-22-2017, 12:54 PM	#7
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	To offend was not my intent __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

01-22-2017, 03:40 PM	#9
rmoons24 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 72	Actually it was in no way inappropriate, he stated that he knew it was the wrong forum, but he brought up a valid point which has much to do with OOTP. I understand that you may be dealing with many emotions right now as is to be expected with an event like this, but don't take those emotions out on other posters. __________________ My friends used to call me Big Red, but I told 'em "Stop it!" 'cause there's only one Big Red in town, America's number 1 cinnamon gum.

01-22-2017, 04:13 PM	#11
dmacgreg37 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 497	I have no issue with the thread whatsoever. That being said, this is not a storyline I'd like to be brought into the game in any way.

01-22-2017, 08:17 PM	#12
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,519	And there might be licensing problems, of course.

01-22-2017, 08:19 PM	#13
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	I like the game to be as real as possible..but maybe not that real. I don't want things like domestic abuse or alcohol problems either, I don't think.

01-22-2017, 08:21 PM	#14
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,519	And remember, OOTP rosters are as of Opening Day. Any midseason deaths would not be reflected in the roster set.

01-23-2017, 08:55 AM	#16
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,290	It's not inappropriate to talk about death. It's a natural part of life. Just because you're uncomfortable with it, doesn't mean everyone has to. It is very sad. I actually like to honor the players by completing their careers whenever I play an MLB game. I've brought Oscar Taveres back in this version and last. I'll bring Ventura, Jose, and Marte back next version. It's a way to get some closure. It is a legitimate idea for the next version. Tragedies do happen. They also immortalize the player. It's an important part of baseball history. Though there is a way to include these tragedies without being too graphic. You could simply have a storyline where a player gets into an accident and suffers a CEI. Adding stuff like this actually has some gameplay effects. Losing a top prospect or ace pitcher can be franchise altering. It should be in the game. __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

01-23-2017, 11:00 AM	#17
mmarra82 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 310	I do not see how adding a story line about a player passing is a good thing for the game. Yes, death is part of life but to have this a part of our game would be inappropriate in my opinion.

01-23-2017, 11:48 AM	#18
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,290	Inappropriate keeps being used. Why does it offend you? Why is it inappropriate? __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

01-23-2017, 12:09 PM	#20
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	Appropriate or not, I'm not sure why this needed to be brought up again. We had the same discussion/argument a few months ago when Jose Fernandez passed away, both in terms of how the game should handle it and appropriateness for discussion. Nothing has changed since then and I suspect it's not going to any time soon. So maybe we can just let this go?