Rehab Assignments

McJacs2 · 06-24-2016, 03:58 PM

Hello all. I am familiar with the idea of rehabbing players from injury, yada yada. I was wondering how long I should rehab players, and if there is any difference between pitchers and position players.

Thanks
McJacs2

ohiodevil · 06-24-2016, 04:03 PM

I am not sure if it matters how long they actually stay on rehab assignment, but what I tend to do is leave position players down for 5 to 7 games and I like to get starting pitchers 2 starts and relief pitchers 4 to 5 appearances before I recall them.

Now if a player was out for longer than 4 months, I tend to keep them down longer.

Position players usually around 10 to 15 games
Starting Pitchers usually get 4 starts
Relief Pitchers get 10+ appearances

McJacs2 · 06-24-2016, 04:21 PM

Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it

FSUKegman · 06-24-2016, 05:15 PM

Will the computer do this if I have it set to automatically control my roster?

PSUColonel · 06-24-2016, 05:18 PM

you don't really need to use this feature...as it is more or less window dressing with the exception of some rust that could accumulate for longer DL stints. I wish OOTP would model a "game ready" or "game shape" type model. Players would really need spring training and rehab starts to help them be able to perform to the most of their abilities. FM models this fairly well, as players won't perform well if they don't get playing time in exhibition (friendly) games, or reserve games. (think of minor league teams) This should particularly hold true for pitchers...but hitters on some level also.

RchW · 06-24-2016, 05:27 PM

Another problem with rehab is that it may cause QO players not to be eligible. I'm waiting until the off season in my league to confirm this possible bug.

Honorable_Pawn · 06-24-2016, 05:54 PM

My suggestion is to completely "instinct it".

Twisted ankle (out 2 weeks) No rehab. He had a slight bruise for a few days and was stiff for about a week week. He's fine. Throw him back in.

Fractured ankle (out 6-8 weeks I'd probably have him pitch about 50 innings in one rehab start then 100 pitches in a second rehab start. I'm not too concerned with the results. Just enough time to warm him up. He's right back in the rotation after that. For a hitter 12-15 AB's ought to get him a little timing back.

Broken knee cap (out 3-4 months) Now this was a little more lost time that he has been away from actual baseball activity. I'd probably rehab a pitcher with like 50 pitches, 75 pitches, 100 pitches over three rehab starts. disregarding results. However if was an elbow, I might opt for a 4th start going something like: 50-75-100-100 especially if the 3rd start wasn't a quality start. For a hitter I probably want to see about 20-25 AB's getting at least 4 games in the field. DH the first game back, if DH is enabled.

Anything over 6 months Since these injuries are so serious I like to a see a full rehab. 4-5 starts for pitchers 50-75-75-100-100. I take these a little more slowly and try to get a good read on the stats. I play on a 1-10 scale with fog of war turned up so I want to see if there was any decline in performance stats-wise. Time to evaluate.

These injuries are worrisome in reality so I try to treat them as such in-game. Thus, I tend to hold the pitcher back a for a couple weeks once he gets called-up.

For hitter I want to see 5-7 starts.

Personally I try to "keep-it-real" when dealing with injuries rather than "min-max" game rust-mechanics. I also find that I enjoy the game more when I turn off the injury rating. That way I have to look at injury history and try to figure that out myself. I find it more fun.

Ultimately though, you have to decide for yourself if you really want to know "too-much" about game-mechanics or would you rather RPG-immersion it.

curt · 06-24-2016, 07:25 PM

I've just started to monitor the players doing rehab. Had a guy a few games into rehab and he was batting below his MLB average. After a handful of games he was hitting above average. I brought him up immediately.

BigRed75 · 06-24-2016, 07:29 PM

Judging by what I've seen in stat lines in my test leagues, the AI tends to average about 5 games per rehab stint for batters, if that's any indication...

r0nster · 06-24-2016, 07:46 PM

I let them go the full distance IF the player I brought up is kicking butt. .... bottomline its dependent upon how well the player I brought up to take his spot does. That's how I handle it

Curve Ball Dave · 06-24-2016, 08:14 PM

Unless the guy is coming off a long term injury, how long I keep in a rehab assignment depends how bad I need him.

Many times I skip rehab altogether for a star guy knowing full well he'll be rusty, but I figure even with the rust he's got to better than the guy or guys I called up from AAA who are doing nothing at all to help me win.

NoOne · 06-24-2016, 10:33 PM

They've let us know that the longer they are off the roster the longer they have to rehab to knock the "rust" off. your guess is as good as anyone else's guess, unless you do some boring research. keep reducing # of days on rehab assignment per length of time until you start to see a consistently bad outcome.. then tick up a bit from that to be safe. over time you'll learn a ratio to use for -- time on DL : games of rehab --.

if you keep them on the active roster, i am not sure if they ever accumulate rust... kinda hard to accomplish with limited spots, though.

when uninjured and on the active roster, they definitely do not get "rusty" from not playing in games. i do not know about "reserve roster," but i assume that counts too. the concept they said is that the player would be working out and training if on the active roster etc...

all of this ignores alternatives. sometimes you bring a guy back early because the alternative is worse for your team, as curve ball dave brings up, but you still have to know what you are comparing to make a good decision. knowing what rust means is key.

kenman · 01-16-2017, 10:39 PM

Do you just demote him to the minors when he comes off the DL. What if he is out of options? I see computer managed teams in my league doing rehab assignments but can't see how to do it myself for the team I am managing. Thanks for any help?

byzeil · 01-16-2017, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kenman

Do you just demote him to the minors when he comes off the DL. What if he is out of options? I see computer managed teams in my league doing rehab assignments but can't see how to do it myself for the team I am managing. Thanks for any help?

If you click on 'available actions' --> 'transactions' for a player whose DL time is up but is still on the DL one of the options is to send him on a rehab assignment.

jpeters1734 · 01-16-2017, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

you don't really need to use this feature...as it is more or less window dressing with the exception of some rust that could accumulate for longer DL stints. I wish OOTP would model a "game ready" or "game shape" type model. Players would really need spring training and rehab starts to help them be able to perform to the most of their abilities. FM models this fairly well, as players won't perform well if they don't get playing time in exhibition (friendly) games, or reserve games. (think of minor league teams) This should particularly hold true for pitchers...but hitters on some level also.

players are more susceptible to re-injury if they do not go to rehab. but yes, what you're saying here would be a great addition

NoOne · 01-17-2017, 03:15 PM

i don't even think they need to play in the games to "rehab" based on how rust works.

since being on an active roster keeps rust off, it likely is all that needs to occur while in the minors... could test it out... would be useful because you could avoid nearly all re-injuries. (can't eliminate the small % they hurt themselves while not playing baseball -- but that stuff happens seldomly and no way to avoid it anyway)

just pop them down to AAA, make sure htey don't start and they will knock off the rust in the normal amount of time.

Mancandy · 01-20-2017, 06:37 PM

As a rule of thumb, I'll plan on giving players one rehab game for every week they're out...although longer term injuries might be more like one rehab game for every week and a half or two weeks. Two weeks is two games, a month is four games, two months is 6-8 games, anything longer than that is 8-10 games. I'll only go higher than that if they were injured at the start of the season and the rehab assignment is essentially spring training. That's just an estimate, I'll monitor their play closely on a game by game basis...if they're playing really good and/or my major league team needs them, they won't stay as long as somebody who's struggling and/or not as needed. None of this is based on any testing for how to get rid of rust, it just feels the most realistic to me based on what I've seen MLB teams do.

I'll also take control of the minor league team's lineup and always put the rehabbing player lead off, no matter what kind of hitter he is, to maximize at bats. And I'll have him DH for a game or two to start the assignment, even if he's never normally a DH. Again, it just feels realistic to me.

NoOne · 01-21-2017, 04:34 PM

pretty sure markus or lukas or some other agent of ootp gave a rough ratio to use in the forums... defintely take their info over any guesses in this thread - unless it's an exact copy/paste of that other thread mentioning it. memories fade; people are unreliable, lol.

i have a great memory and i don't trust myself half the time.

06-24-2016, 03:58 PM	#1
McJacs2 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 10	Rehab Assignments Hello all. I am familiar with the idea of rehabbing players from injury, yada yada. I was wondering how long I should rehab players, and if there is any difference between pitchers and position players. Thanks McJacs2

06-24-2016, 04:03 PM	#2
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,442	I am not sure if it matters how long they actually stay on rehab assignment, but what I tend to do is leave position players down for 5 to 7 games and I like to get starting pitchers 2 starts and relief pitchers 4 to 5 appearances before I recall them. Now if a player was out for longer than 4 months, I tend to keep them down longer. Position players usually around 10 to 15 games Starting Pitchers usually get 4 starts Relief Pitchers get 10+ appearances Last edited by ohiodevil; 06-24-2016 at 04:08 PM.

06-24-2016, 05:27 PM	#6
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Another problem with rehab is that it may cause QO players not to be eligible. I'm waiting until the off season in my league to confirm this possible bug. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

06-24-2016, 05:54 PM	#7
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	My suggestion is to completely "instinct it". *Twisted ankle (out 2 weeks)* No rehab. He had a slight bruise for a few days and was stiff for about a week week. He's fine. Throw him back in. *Fractured ankle (out 6-8 weeks* I'd probably have him pitch about 50 innings in one rehab start then 100 pitches in a second rehab start. I'm not too concerned with the results. Just enough time to warm him up. He's right back in the rotation after that. For a hitter 12-15 AB's ought to get him a little timing back. *Broken knee cap (out 3-4 months)* Now this was a little more lost time that he has been away from actual baseball activity. I'd probably rehab a pitcher with like 50 pitches, 75 pitches, 100 pitches over three rehab starts. disregarding results. However if was an elbow, I might opt for a 4th start going something like: 50-75-100-100 especially if the 3rd start wasn't a quality start. For a hitter I probably want to see about 20-25 AB's getting at least 4 games in the field. DH the first game back, if DH is enabled. *Anything over 6 months* Since these injuries are so serious I like to a see a full rehab. 4-5 starts for pitchers 50-75-75-100-100. I take these a little more slowly and try to get a good read on the stats. I play on a 1-10 scale with fog of war turned up so I want to see if there was any decline in performance stats-wise. Time to evaluate. These injuries are worrisome in reality so I try to treat them as such in-game. Thus, I tend to hold the pitcher back a for a couple weeks once he gets called-up. For hitter I want to see 5-7 starts. Personally I try to "keep-it-real" when dealing with injuries rather than "min-max" game rust-mechanics. I also find that I enjoy the game more when I turn off the injury rating. That way I have to look at injury history and try to figure that out myself. I find it more fun. Ultimately though, you have to decide for yourself if you really want to know "too-much" about game-mechanics or would you rather RPG-immersion it. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

06-24-2016, 07:29 PM	#9
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	Judging by what I've seen in stat lines in my test leagues, the AI tends to average about 5 games per rehab stint for batters, if that's any indication... __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

06-24-2016, 04:21 PM	#3
McJacs2 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 10	Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it

06-24-2016, 05:15 PM	#4
FSUKegman Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL. Posts: 251	Will the computer do this if I have it set to automatically control my roster?

06-24-2016, 05:18 PM	#5
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,139	you don't really need to use this feature...as it is more or less window dressing with the exception of some rust that could accumulate for longer DL stints. I wish OOTP would model a "game ready" or "game shape" type model. Players would really need spring training and rehab starts to help them be able to perform to the most of their abilities. FM models this fairly well, as players won't perform well if they don't get playing time in exhibition (friendly) games, or reserve games. (think of minor league teams) This should particularly hold true for pitchers...but hitters on some level also.

06-24-2016, 07:25 PM	#8
curt Major Leagues Join Date: May 2013 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 478	I've just started to monitor the players doing rehab. Had a guy a few games into rehab and he was batting below his MLB average. After a handful of games he was hitting above average. I brought him up immediately.

06-24-2016, 07:46 PM	#10
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,081	I let them go the full distance IF the player I brought up is kicking butt. .... bottomline its dependent upon how well the player I brought up to take his spot does. That's how I handle it

06-24-2016, 08:14 PM	#11
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,393	Unless the guy is coming off a long term injury, how long I keep in a rehab assignment depends how bad I need him. Many times I skip rehab altogether for a star guy knowing full well he'll be rusty, but I figure even with the rust he's got to better than the guy or guys I called up from AAA who are doing nothing at all to help me win. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

06-24-2016, 10:33 PM	#12
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	They've let us know that the longer they are off the roster the longer they have to rehab to knock the "rust" off. your guess is as good as anyone else's guess, unless you do some boring research. keep reducing # of days on rehab assignment per length of time until you start to see a consistently bad outcome.. then tick up a bit from that to be safe. over time you'll learn a ratio to use for -- time on DL : games of rehab --. if you keep them on the active roster, i am not sure if they ever accumulate rust... kinda hard to accomplish with limited spots, though. when uninjured and on the active roster, they definitely do not get "rusty" from not playing in games. i do not know about "reserve roster," but i assume that counts too. the concept they said is that the player would be working out and training if on the active roster etc... all of this ignores alternatives. sometimes you bring a guy back early because the alternative is worse for your team, as curve ball dave brings up, but you still have to know what you are comparing to make a good decision. knowing what rust means is key.

01-16-2017, 10:39 PM	#13
kenman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Floral City, Florida Posts: 71	How do you give a play a rehab assignment Do you just demote him to the minors when he comes off the DL. What if he is out of options? I see computer managed teams in my league doing rehab assignments but can't see how to do it myself for the team I am managing. Thanks for any help?

01-17-2017, 03:15 PM	#16
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i don't even think they need to play in the games to "rehab" based on how rust works. since being on an active roster keeps rust off, it likely is all that needs to occur while in the minors... could test it out... would be useful because you could avoid nearly all re-injuries. (can't eliminate the small % they hurt themselves while not playing baseball -- but that stuff happens seldomly and no way to avoid it anyway) just pop them down to AAA, make sure htey don't start and they will knock off the rust in the normal amount of time.

01-20-2017, 06:37 PM	#17
Mancandy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	As a rule of thumb, I'll plan on giving players one rehab game for every week they're out...although longer term injuries might be more like one rehab game for every week and a half or two weeks. Two weeks is two games, a month is four games, two months is 6-8 games, anything longer than that is 8-10 games. I'll only go higher than that if they were injured at the start of the season and the rehab assignment is essentially spring training. That's just an estimate, I'll monitor their play closely on a game by game basis...if they're playing really good and/or my major league team needs them, they won't stay as long as somebody who's struggling and/or not as needed. None of this is based on any testing for how to get rid of rust, it just feels the most realistic to me based on what I've seen MLB teams do. I'll also take control of the minor league team's lineup and always put the rehabbing player lead off, no matter what kind of hitter he is, to maximize at bats. And I'll have him DH for a game or two to start the assignment, even if he's never normally a DH. Again, it just feels realistic to me.

01-21-2017, 04:34 PM	#18
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	pretty sure markus or lukas or some other agent of ootp gave a rough ratio to use in the forums... defintely take their info over any guesses in this thread - unless it's an exact copy/paste of that other thread mentioning it. memories fade; people are unreliable, lol. i have a great memory and i don't trust myself half the time.