Please, just make trades non-******ed

[ilyaf]

This game seems so right most of the time until you decide trading. Please, focus on improving trade in order not to make this important of the game so frustrating.

[offerman7]

Originally Posted by ilyaf

This game seems so right most of the time until you decide trading. Please, focus on improving trade in order not to make this important of the game so frustrating.

Great post.

[Orcin]

Actually, it's not a great post. There is no information about what the OP finds frustrating so it would be impossible to improve this aspect of the game for him based on this generic complaint.

[ilyaf]

Do you guys want me to be greedy and start listing what I specifically think should be improved?

LOL the way it's set is as basic as possible (e.g., there's no proper negotiation) and yet it's ******ed (I won't even mention examples of it being ******ed as they've been reported for years and they're way too obvious for the OOTP community). It should simply be made not as ******ed and broken. It's too soon to even start asking for more than that.

[NoxMortem]

Yes you should be very specific what you believe does not work or lacks features. How would anyone know what you exactly mean? Trading is complex and each/all of the features could be what you dislike.

What trading settings do you use for example. What trading frequency? Which weights? Do you use draft pick trading or not? Etc. Etc.

[NoOne]

if what they offer to humans is representative of what goes on elsewhere in the league, it most defintiely needs improvement. i try not to pay attention to trading in any sports game... i don't think it's ever been done well.

it's possibly the human player that screws it up... they have to protect against us fleecing the AI. (maybe the ai doesn't have the same weights applied, hopefully) so, potentialy good loop of logic is ruined by odd qualifications to protect against that.

i think alot of the ai management stuff needs to be re-worked. maybe it's because of minor changes over the years and it's turned into some unwieldly mess of code? something simple and elegant is needed for sure. you can't get too specific here from the end-user's perpsective, because while we see it in action, we cannot deduce all the factors and in their proper weights with our eye. a bit tough to suggest a specific change when you don't know the current specifics.

with that said, ad hominem attacks are a sign fallacious reasoning (they are logical fallacies, make no doubt, but sometimes a blind shot hits the mark for no reason). so, saying somethign is ******ed or stupid isn't the way to go, either.

i'm pretty sure the ootp people that read these forums have learned to put on a sensitivity filter when reading the forums, or they won't last long. it may be normal in forums and internet comments, but it's never right. i'm sure i'm guilty of it, but i make an honest effort to edit or erase or simply avoid it. i don't historically do well when i think the other person throws the first stone, lol.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Actually, it's not a great post. There is no information about what the OP finds frustrating so it would be impossible to improve this aspect of the game for him based on this generic complaint.

Agreed. My biggest gripe is that it seems as if the whole "dumping" or "tanking" thing that goes on today doesn't happen in OOTP. For example, would the AI agree of the Yankees-Indians trade that sent Miller to CLE for Frazier, Sheffield, et al?

[IStillDream]

At the risk of being That Guy, can we please not call things ******ed? It's tremendously hurtful to a lot of people.

[ilyaf]

Originally Posted by IStillDream

At the risk of being That Guy, can we please not call things ******ed? It's tremendously hurtful to a lot of people.

People may get hurt by that word but it still can have some precise meaning. For example, someone who can't score above 70 or so in an IQ test. You can say those people who fail hard in an IQ test fail even in some very basic tests that are obvious for most people.

The trade engine of ootp also fails some very basic common sense tests. For example, I've offered a very good MLB ready 5-tools-esque left fielder prospect to a team in need of a left fielder and yet they would refuse as if he had the plague. They wouldn't trade him for an average as hell 25 years old scrub in their AA team. I was basically giving them a top prospect for free and they were laughing at my pathetic offer.

This is very common and makes trading really hard, if they refuse a player you're basically gifting them they'll logically also refuse decent trades that make sense.

From my experience I found that it's not impossible to make trades. By chance and lots of try and errors you can find a trade, but the ones you do get to find are usually suboptimal. And of course, the time unnecessarily wasted trying to find trades is bad by itself.

I won't mention things such as the lack of negotiation and how you can't spend more than your budget (perhaps with the approval of the owner) because those things would be nearly useless with a trade engine that fails to pass basic tests.

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by ilyaf

People may get hurt by that word but it still can have some precise meaning. For example, someone who can't score above 70 or so in an IQ test. You can say those people who fail hard in an IQ test fail even in some very basic tests that are obvious for most people.

... Even with context, it's not very nice to call a complex game ******ed. /

The trade engine of ootp also fails some very basic common sense tests. For example, I've offered a very good MLB ready 5-tools-esque left fielder prospect to a team in need of a left fielder and yet they would refuse as if he had the plague. They wouldn't trade him for an average as hell 25 years old scrub in their AA team. I was basically giving them a top prospect for free and they were laughing at my pathetic offer.

This is very common and makes trading really hard, if they refuse a player you're basically gifting them they'll logically also refuse decent trades that make sense.

From my experience I found that it's not impossible to make trades. By chance and lots of try and errors you can find a trade, but the ones you do get to find are usually suboptimal. And of course, the time unnecessarily wasted trying to find trades is bad by itself.

I won't mention things such as the lack of negotiation and how you can't spend more than your budget (perhaps with the approval of the owner) because those things would be nearly useless with a trade engine that fails to pass basic tests.

If trading AI is that hard for you, change the setting.

[Griever20]

The trade engine of ootp also fails some very basic common sense tests. For example, I've offered a very good MLB ready 5-tools-esque left fielder prospect to a team in need of a left fielder and yet they would refuse as if he had the plague. They wouldn't trade him for an average as hell 25 years old scrub in their AA team. I was basically giving them a top prospect for free and they were laughing at my pathetic offer.

I made a similar example in the other thread about trading in this subforum and I tend to agree that there is something that screws trading at average difficulty or above a bit. Describing the exact trade and uploading the league files, I hope they find something there.

Nothing that kills the game for me, but makes it alot of work to trade.

[bwburke94]

Originally Posted by IStillDream

At the risk of being That Guy, can we please not call things ******ed? It's tremendously hurtful to a lot of people.

"******ed" is not on the same level as the N-word, and I don't think it will ever be. I don't understand why modern society tries to compare the two words.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

"******ed" is not on the same level as the N-word, and I don't think it will ever be. I don't understand why modern society tries to compare the two words.

Don't presume to speak for those who have been the target of such crap. I consider it unacceptable.

[Dukie98]

I've noticed numerous one-sided trades in a historical league (started in 1902), particularly involving pitchers. I've seen multiple hall-of-fame caliber pitchers (Christy Mathewson, Ed Walsh, Three Finger Brown) traded in their prime for one-star backups with no real value. These trades have been between computer-managed teams (or proposed to me by a computer-managed team -- one year after Walsh was the #1 overall draft pick).

I haven't noticed any corresponding issues in a modern-day league, for what it's worth.

[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Originally Posted by ilyaf

Do you guys want me to be greedy and start listing what I specifically think should be improved?

LOL the way it's set is as basic as possible (e.g., there's no proper negotiation) and yet it's ******ed (I won't even mention examples of it being ******ed as they've been reported for years and they're way too obvious for the OOTP community). It should simply be made not as ******ed and broken. It's too soon to even start asking for more than that.

No offense, but I don't think you know what greedy means...

[Spritze]

Greedy