Never had a guy do this before

Hammercraft · 12-26-2016, 05:35 AM

4th round draft pick, highly rated, but not the best stuff in the draft. I took a flyer on him and offered a $3,500,000 signing bonus demand because he had good stuff, good character, and was durable.

Boy did that pay off. Saw his first action in a September call-up three years ago, then suddenly puts it all together and goes 21-0 for the season. He willed us into the playoffs, but we lost the wild card game - the bullpen gave out on him. Ended the season undefeated.

Hammercraft · 12-27-2016, 12:55 AM

He's pitched great but it was definitely a fluke season.

thorpegiovanni · 12-27-2016, 01:05 AM

what's his arsenal? 98-100 extreme ground ball pitcher must have some sort of a tremendous changeup.

Hammercraft · 12-27-2016, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thorpegiovanni

what's his arsenal? 98-100 extreme ground ball pitcher must have some sort of a tremendous changeup.

Check the stuff in the first post - his changeup is abysmal (and it hasn't improved at all)

Elendil · 12-27-2016, 01:50 PM

The most epic part of that guy's season is the ratio of strikeouts to homeruns allowed. You just don't see a power guy give up so few dingers.

ttaka808 · 12-29-2016, 06:03 AM

The sinker is probably the reason why the HRs are so low. A good sinker keeps the ball in the yard.

NoOne · 12-29-2016, 02:32 PM

i bet you spend alot more on mlb vs minor league scouting eh? it could have been a TCR change too, but that looks like he was misrepresented in the minors, maybe... happens often enough.

i'd make an executive decision and tell him to stop throwing the changeup (the undeveloped). if you do, no changing your mind if you get in there and it's better than your scout things - at least to maintain some integrity.

sinker gives up a higher babip or something along those lines. it may keep the ball down but it isn't a dominant pitch in my experience (in OOTP, dont care about RL). for me, those pitchers seem to deviate higher from teh editor estimate than other primary fastballs in a repertoire - many moving parts, and only by looking at things play our... easily wrong about this in the game.

flyballs are the easiest outs. they result in the lowest slugging and average. groundballs are better than line-drives obviously. can google for the data probably first or second link... and not necessarily the best info yet. thnk they tracked it from 2001 or something. groundballs lend them selves to consistency, probably. but pitches that result in pop-flies will give more amazing results (good and bad).

Hammercraft · 12-31-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

i bet you spend alot more on mlb vs minor league scouting eh?

Nope.

NoOne · 12-31-2016, 03:17 PM

it could be caused by that difference in scouting, nonetheless. even if you spend the same amount, MLB scouting > MiL scouting at the same $$$. actually even if the same realized accuracy it's still normal to have an adjustment when they go from one scouting type to another (usually not so large ofc). unless you looked in the editor or have 100% accuracy, it will be difficult to know if it was a TCR or a miscouting.

huge jumps in potential can occur, certainly not discounting it's possibility. but when it coincides with a bump from ama to mil or mil to mlb it gets a little less likely to be the cause, becaue other tihngs have similar effects and resutls that look exactly the same.

12-26-2016, 05:35 AM	#1
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 728	Never had a guy do this before 4th round draft pick, highly rated, but not the best stuff in the draft. I took a flyer on him and offered a $3,500,000 signing bonus demand because he had good stuff, good character, and was durable. Boy did that pay off. Saw his first action in a September call-up three years ago, then suddenly puts it all together and goes 21-0 for the season. He willed us into the playoffs, but we lost the wild card game - the bullpen gave out on him. Ended the season undefeated.

12-27-2016, 01:50 PM	#5
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	The most epic part of that guy's season is the ratio of strikeouts to homeruns allowed. You just don't see a power guy give up so few dingers. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

12-29-2016, 02:32 PM	#7
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i bet you spend alot more on mlb vs minor league scouting eh? it could have been a TCR change too, but that looks like he was misrepresented in the minors, maybe... happens often enough. i'd make an executive decision and tell him to stop throwing the changeup (the undeveloped). if you do, no changing your mind if you get in there and it's better than your scout things - at least to maintain some integrity. sinker gives up a higher babip or something along those lines. it may keep the ball down but it isn't a dominant pitch in my experience (in OOTP, dont care about RL). for me, those pitchers seem to deviate higher from teh editor estimate than other primary fastballs in a repertoire - many moving parts, and only by looking at things play our... easily wrong about this in the game. flyballs are the easiest outs. they result in the lowest slugging and average. groundballs are better than line-drives obviously. can google for the data probably first or second link... and not necessarily the best info yet. thnk they tracked it from 2001 or something. groundballs lend them selves to consistency, probably. but pitches that result in pop-flies will give more amazing results (good and bad). Last edited by NoOne; 12-29-2016 at 02:38 PM.

12-31-2016, 03:17 PM	#9
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	it could be caused by that difference in scouting, nonetheless. even if you spend the same amount, MLB scouting > MiL scouting at the same $$$. actually even if the same realized accuracy it's still normal to have an adjustment when they go from one scouting type to another (usually not so large ofc). unless you looked in the editor or have 100% accuracy, it will be difficult to know if it was a TCR or a miscouting. huge jumps in potential can occur, certainly not discounting it's possibility. but when it coincides with a bump from ama to mil or mil to mlb it gets a little less likely to be the cause, becaue other tihngs have similar effects and resutls that look exactly the same. Last edited by NoOne; 12-31-2016 at 03:18 PM.

12-27-2016, 12:55 AM	#2
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 728	He's pitched great but it was definitely a fluke season.

12-27-2016, 01:05 AM	#3
thorpegiovanni All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 550	what's his arsenal? 98-100 extreme ground ball pitcher must have some sort of a tremendous changeup.

12-29-2016, 06:03 AM	#6
ttaka808 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 280	The sinker is probably the reason why the HRs are so low. A good sinker keeps the ball in the yard.