Good Team, Bad Morale

BKL · 12-16-2016, 11:10 PM

My team is in first place for the Wild Card and likely to win it. We've had a winning record all season. We've had three winning seasons. The majority of my team players are "team leaders" "good work ethic" "respected by teammates".

Despite all this, my entire pitching staff is "upset due to disruptive forces on the team." I got an email from one of the players saying the only thing holding the team together is it's record.

What do I do? I can't even tell which player(s) are disruptive.

Hammercraft · 12-17-2016, 01:49 AM

Usually it's someone with low intelligence and is happy, if you click on him and he has some description like "there's no buffer between his two brain cells and his mouth" then get rid of him

BigRed75 · 12-17-2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BKL

What do I do? I can't even tell which player(s) are disruptive.

Welcome to the OOTP morale system. Thank goodness you can turn it off.

mitchkenn · 12-17-2016, 11:30 AM

sometimes it's the guy sending letters ....

BrandonS · 12-17-2016, 02:26 PM

If you play with coaches, then you can get a "controlling" coach which will usually handle the bickering better.

You could also take a screenshot of your team w/ personalities so we can get a better look. You might have a cancerous person or 2 you never knew about. A quick and easy way to do so is this process:

Team Home Screen > Players > View

efault > Click the View drop down box > Customize > check the boxes for Greed, Work Ethic, Leader Ability.

PSUColonel · 12-17-2016, 04:40 PM

While I like the idea of the morale system,....it really needs to be implemented better.

Dark Horse · 12-17-2016, 05:14 PM

i've always wondered if there were too many leaders on the team if that would turn into a negative. i imagine the team gets split into cliques.

The other thing is if you have that guy that has a high leader rating, but has poor work ethic; or is high greed...

Dark Horse · 12-17-2016, 07:16 PM

Come to think of it, there have been several good teams that had bad morale. The Bronx Zoo Yankees and the early 70s A's, they had Reggie Jackson in common. The San Francisco Giants with Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent had bad locker rooms.

But i do agree that we should be able to know what players are having problems. Why not have a player relationship page like the managers have?

And i do like the annoyance that it creates in OOTP. That's what it creates IRL. i would like to see news articles about teammates fighting or calling each other out in the media. And managers having to answere questions about team chemistry.

mitchkenn · 12-17-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Come to think of it, there have been several good teams that had bad morale. The Bronx Zoo Yankees and the early 70s A's, they had Reggie Jackson in common. The San Francisco Giants with Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent had bad locker rooms.

But i do agree that we should be able to know what players are having problems. Why not have a player relationship page like the managers have? .....

i like this idea.

BigRed75 · 12-17-2016, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Come to think of it, there have been several good teams that had bad morale. The Bronx Zoo Yankees and the early 70s A's, they had Reggie Jackson in common. The San Francisco Giants with Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent had bad locker rooms.

But i do agree that we should be able to know what players are having problems. Why not have a player relationship page like the managers have?

And i do like the annoyance that it creates in OOTP. That's what it creates IRL. i would like to see news articles about teammates fighting or calling each other out in the media. And managers having to answere questions about team chemistry.

I don't mind the annoyance one bit. Like you said, there are plenty examples of clubhouse cancers and "25 players, 25 cabs" syndrome, some of which were on the greatest teams of all time.

What I hate is that you have to be Sherlock Holmes every time you get an instance of bad team morale in order to uncover who the cancer is. Like a real-life big league manager wouldn't know exactly who's causing problems in his clubhouse? Come on, that's bulldust.

Hammercraft · 12-18-2016, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

I don't mind the annoyance one bit. Like you said, there are plenty examples of clubhouse cancers and "25 players, 25 cabs" syndrome, some of which were on the greatest teams of all time.

What I hate is that you have to be Sherlock Holmes every time you get an instance of bad team morale in order to uncover who the cancer is. Like a real-life big league manager wouldn't know exactly who's causing problems in his clubhouse? Come on, that's bulldust.

And you get someone sending you a message every few days saying "I'm not going to name names, but..."
1. Name names, or don't waste my time.
2. Tell the manager, not me. I should hear it from him. If I hear it from you again I'm trading you to Broncos de Reynosa for a bag of balls.

NoOne · 12-18-2016, 09:32 AM

you are winning and everyone has a happy face icon next to their name on your roster? what are you worried about?

my guess is that like someone else said, it's the guy sending the message - i have recently turned this featuer off but coincidentally had just come to the conclusion to turn morale back on - i think it's a +2-5 win effect per 162g on winning teams. the "cancers" and the like may just do that occasionally... because that's what selfish people do on occasion wihtout looking at the big picture.

had you not been winning, i'd just say give it time... the other thing to check is relationships of the coach... if the complainers are on the "worse relationship" side, then that may also be a factor, possibly. i only read that as a comparative term, though. i.e. it gives no indication of severity / magnitude

don't trade away good talent without a truly equivalent or better replacement.

ihatenames · 12-18-2016, 05:39 PM

Yes, do not overlook the relationship with the manager. I had one team where I could not figure out what the issue was. It turned out my coach was a terrible human being and made everyone mad. After I fired him the clubhouse was good.

Cod · 12-18-2016, 07:41 PM

I wish players would stop acting like high school girls and just tell me who the problem is when emailing me.

ihatenames · 12-18-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cod

I wish players would stop acting like high school girls and just tell me who the problem is when emailing me.

I actually agree with this. I don't mind the morale aspect but the not telling who is the problem is a bit too gamey. I'd be okay with just a news message saying so and so got in a yelling match in the club house or something.

I'm not sure how much of that is limited by MLBPA license though.

NoOne · 12-20-2016, 09:35 PM

that's not how the morale system is set up, though. they always use the "bucket" example.

even though you were a successful team, the negative stuff outweighed that plus any other positive effects over that period of time, otherwise you wouldn't have bad morale.

if there aren't unahppy faces in the "morale" column, then this shouldn't even be a concern. if the unhappy person is a new player, only pay attention on occasion to make sure the needle is moving in the right direction. if most of the team is happy, there is no morale problem.

are these emails part of storylines that have no actual effect on occasion?

T-Bone · 12-22-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cod

I wish players would stop acting like high school girls and just tell me who the problem is when emailing me.

this

Marsupilami · 12-22-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

I don't mind the annoyance one bit. Like you said, there are plenty examples of clubhouse cancers and "25 players, 25 cabs" syndrome, some of which were on the greatest teams of all time.

What I hate is that you have to be Sherlock Holmes every time you get an instance of bad team morale in order to uncover who the cancer is. Like a real-life big league manager wouldn't know exactly who's causing problems in his clubhouse? Come on, that's bulldust.

you dont have to be sherlock. you SHOULD know who the guys who cause trouble are in the first place (unless you ignore such stuff when trading etc until problems appear "out of nowhere")

rj58 · 12-22-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

I don't mind the annoyance one bit. Like you said, there are plenty examples of clubhouse cancers and "25 players, 25 cabs" syndrome, some of which were on the greatest teams of all time.

What I hate is that you have to be Sherlock Holmes every time you get an instance of bad team morale in order to uncover who the cancer is. Like a real-life big league manager wouldn't know exactly who's causing problems in his clubhouse? Come on, that's bulldust.

^^ this. I've never been a major league manager, but I've been a software manager for 13 years. You absolutely know who is causing the issue unless you are a terrible terrible manager (and yes, I've met a few of those).

If OOTP wants to keep making morale such a huge issue, they should put in a light role playing game system where you can invest experience points in things like 'management skills' on your owner avatar or something similar so that after some time you know which players are causing such issues. Right now the morale system tends to death spiral your team..

I've played the last 3 versions of OOTP. In 17 I turned the morale system off. Just too distracting and doesn't add to gameplay at all (unless you really enjoy losing games to intangibles).

As others have said, some teams win despite such issues.. so my take is that player morale has too strong an effect on player performance. Yes, all players have ups and downs.. and that is actually already modeled in the game a different way (players that don't perform well during a season or part of a season).

12-16-2016, 11:10 PM	#1
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 935	Good Team, Bad Morale My team is in first place for the Wild Card and likely to win it. We've had a winning record all season. We've had three winning seasons. The majority of my team players are "team leaders" "good work ethic" "respected by teammates". Despite all this, my entire pitching staff is "upset due to disruptive forces on the team." I got an email from one of the players saying the only thing holding the team together is it's record. What do I do? I can't even tell which player(s) are disruptive.

12-17-2016, 11:30 AM	#4
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	sometimes it's the guy sending letters .... __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

12-17-2016, 02:26 PM	#5
BrandonS Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 143	If you play with coaches, then you can get a "controlling" coach which will usually handle the bickering better. You could also take a screenshot of your team w/ personalities so we can get a better look. You might have a cancerous person or 2 you never knew about. A quick and easy way to do so is this process: Team Home Screen > Players > Viewefault > Click the View drop down box > Customize > check the boxes for Greed, Work Ethic, Leader Ability. __________________ Commissioner of The Best Damn League Period YouTube Channel for OOTP Tips

12-17-2016, 05:14 PM	#7
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	i've always wondered if there were too many leaders on the team if that would turn into a negative. i imagine the team gets split into cliques. The other thing is if you have that guy that has a high leader rating, but has poor work ethic; or is high greed... __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE Last edited by Dark Horse; 12-17-2016 at 06:46 PM.

12-17-2016, 07:16 PM	#8
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	Come to think of it, there have been several good teams that had bad morale. The Bronx Zoo Yankees and the early 70s A's, they had Reggie Jackson in common. The San Francisco Giants with Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent had bad locker rooms. But i do agree that we should be able to know what players are having problems. Why not have a player relationship page like the managers have? And i do like the annoyance that it creates in OOTP. That's what it creates IRL. i would like to see news articles about teammates fighting or calling each other out in the media. And managers having to answere questions about team chemistry. __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

12-17-2016, 01:49 AM	#2
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 728	Usually it's someone with low intelligence and is happy, if you click on him and he has some description like "there's no buffer between his two brain cells and his mouth" then get rid of him

12-17-2016, 04:40 PM	#6
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,143	While I like the idea of the morale system,....it really needs to be implemented better.

12-18-2016, 09:32 AM	#12
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	you are winning and everyone has a happy face icon next to their name on your roster? what are you worried about? my guess is that like someone else said, it's the guy sending the message - i have recently turned this featuer off but coincidentally had just come to the conclusion to turn morale back on - i think it's a +2-5 win effect per 162g on winning teams. the "cancers" and the like may just do that occasionally... because that's what selfish people do on occasion wihtout looking at the big picture. had you not been winning, i'd just say give it time... the other thing to check is relationships of the coach... if the complainers are on the "worse relationship" side, then that may also be a factor, possibly. i only read that as a comparative term, though. i.e. it gives no indication of severity / magnitude don't trade away good talent without a truly equivalent or better replacement.

12-18-2016, 05:39 PM	#13
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	Yes, do not overlook the relationship with the manager. I had one team where I could not figure out what the issue was. It turned out my coach was a terrible human being and made everyone mad. After I fired him the clubhouse was good. __________________ New Album coming soon!

12-18-2016, 07:41 PM	#14
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,177	I wish players would stop acting like high school girls and just tell me who the problem is when emailing me.

12-20-2016, 09:35 PM	#16
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	that's not how the morale system is set up, though. they always use the "bucket" example. even though you were a successful team, the negative stuff outweighed that plus any other positive effects over that period of time, otherwise you wouldn't have bad morale. if there aren't unahppy faces in the "morale" column, then this shouldn't even be a concern. if the unhappy person is a new player, only pay attention on occasion to make sure the needle is moving in the right direction. if most of the team is happy, there is no morale problem. are these emails part of storylines that have no actual effect on occasion?