Too Many Infield hits

pdiaz1420 · 10-11-2016, 11:24 AM

Do you agree?

TheMaus2 · 10-11-2016, 11:27 AM

Be more specific about your problem. We won't know what you're talking about.

Tom the Fish · 10-11-2016, 07:35 PM

Yes, it's been a problem with me for longer than I can remember, at least 15 years. I've just learned to roll with it.

smiller · 10-11-2016, 08:39 PM

Agree. I see one or two every game, although I don't know what the major league average is.

risp2out · 10-11-2016, 11:23 PM

What era are you playing in? http://web.stanford.edu/class/stats5...ats50Final.pdf

Markus Heinsohn · 10-12-2016, 04:10 AM

In our internal tests, the number of infield hits very closely match those of real life, even between different eras.

RchW · 10-12-2016, 03:59 PM

No problem seen here in many test leagues. I'd suggest not enough infield hits but I don't have enough data.

DaBears · 10-12-2016, 04:27 PM

I don't believe the results are actually that far off, it's more the way the game looks. When you see a soft dribbler, you kind of expect that might end up being a hit. The issue is when the ball is hit solidly to your infielder and they just stand there, then s-l-o-w-l-y toss the ball to 1B, that's when it's frustrating. The fact is this was likely actually a ball to deep SS or drove the 3B back and to his left to where he couldn't pivot and make the throw.

In reality, the data in my games runs pretty close to real life.

Sweed · 10-12-2016, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdiaz1420

Do you agree?

No.

pdiaz1420 · 10-24-2016, 03:50 PM

I haven't been able to find stats on team infield hits but I t seems like I have 3-5 a game. Also slow footed catchers get infield hits.

grmagne · 10-24-2016, 07:35 PM

From this article, there's about 1.4 infield hits in a typical MLB game. They grouped the hitters by running speed and calculated how often each group hit a single from an infield groundball:
Infield Hits by Speed Score | Articles | Bill James Online

Slowest Runners: 4.8%
Average Runners: 7.6%
Fastest Runners: 10.5%

Just out of curiosity, I picked a date at random just to see how many infield hits there were. I chose April 15, 2016 and there were 30 infield hits in 15 games (not including bunts). A bit more than average but not too far off. The most on this particular day was 6 infield hits between Arizona and San Diego.
April 15, 2016 Arizona Diamondbacks at San Diego Padres Play by Play and Box Score | Baseball-Reference.com

Here's the 30 players that had infield hits that day.
NYM-CLE: M. Conforto
CIN-STL: B. Phillips
ATL-MIA: D. Gordon (2), C. Yelich
WAS-PHI: M. Taylor, S. Drew
MIL-PIT: C. Carter, S. Marte, J. Jaso
BAL-TEX: J. Schoop, J. Rickard
KCR-OAK: O. Infante, K. Morales
ARZ-SDP: J. Lamb (2), M. Upton, A. Amarista, D. Peralta, P. Gosselin
COL-CHC: N. Arenado, A. Russell, A. Rizzo, G. Parra
SFG-LAD: A. Pagan (2)
TOR-BOS: J. Bradley, D. Pedroia
DET-HOU: J. Castro, C. Rasmus

Markus Heinsohn · 10-25-2016, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smiller

Agree. I see one or two every game, although I don't know what the major league average is.

It's at about 1.4 - 1.5, so what you are seeing is perfectly normal.

RchW · 10-25-2016, 09:19 AM

Baseball reference has it at 1.03 for the 2016 season. The previous two seasons are 1.10 and 1.11

2014 Major League Baseball PH/HR/Situ Hitting | Baseball-Reference.com

BigRed75 · 10-25-2016, 09:27 AM

Hmm...Baseball Reference and Bill James seem to disagree on the averages, which would indicate a difference in methodology.

Matt Arnold · 10-25-2016, 10:42 AM

BR has 4510 infield hits this year, Fangraphs has 3546. They can't even agree on bunt hits (484 vs 567). We'll likely visit it again for next year - at the very least, we can spend more effort getting them so they look more reasonable - the infield hits for slow runners certainly do have a different profile than those of the faster runners, and I'm not sure we make enough distinction in that right now.

RchW · 10-25-2016, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

BR has 4510 infield hits this year, Fangraphs has 3546. They can't even agree on bunt hits (484 vs 567). We'll likely visit it again for next year - at the very least, we can spend more effort getting them so they look more reasonable - the infield hits for slow runners certainly do have a different profile than those of the faster runners, and I'm not sure we make enough distinction in that right now.

BR separates infield hits and bunt hits but bunt hits are by definition infield hits. I added them to get the rate/game. If bunts are included in the BR infield hits total then occurrence is <1/g. I'll ask BR what the right total is.

Bottom line is that infield hits seem to be closer to 1/g or less than they are to 1.3-1.5/g

OBSL Commish · 10-25-2016, 08:30 PM

An infield hit just scored the first run in the World Series for Cleveland tonight.

pdiaz1420 · 10-26-2016, 11:06 AM

I am seeing anywhere from 3-5. And there is never a game without one.

10-11-2016, 11:24 AM	#1
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10-12-2016, 03:59 PM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	No problem seen here in many test leagues. I'd suggest not enough infield hits but I don't have enough data. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

10-11-2016, 08:39 PM	#4
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 430	Agree. I see one or two every game, although I don't know what the major league average is.

10-11-2016, 11:23 PM	#5
risp2out All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 648	What era are you playing in? http://web.stanford.edu/class/stats5...ats50Final.pdf

10-12-2016, 04:27 PM	#8
DaBears All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 528	I don't believe the results are actually that far off, it's more the way the game looks. When you see a soft dribbler, you kind of expect that might end up being a hit. The issue is when the ball is hit solidly to your infielder and they just stand there, then s-l-o-w-l-y toss the ball to 1B, that's when it's frustrating. The fact is this was likely actually a ball to deep SS or drove the 3B back and to his left to where he couldn't pivot and make the throw. In reality, the data in my games runs pretty close to real life.

10-24-2016, 03:50 PM	#10
pdiaz1420 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6	I haven't been able to find stats on team infield hits but I t seems like I have 3-5 a game. Also slow footed catchers get infield hits.

10-24-2016, 07:35 PM	#11
grmagne Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Toronto Posts: 271	From this article, there's about 1.4 infield hits in a typical MLB game. They grouped the hitters by running speed and calculated how often each group hit a single from an infield groundball: Infield Hits by Speed Score \| Articles \| Bill James Online Slowest Runners: 4.8% Average Runners: 7.6% Fastest Runners: 10.5% Just out of curiosity, I picked a date at random just to see how many infield hits there were. I chose April 15, 2016 and there were 30 infield hits in 15 games (not including bunts). A bit more than average but not too far off. The most on this particular day was 6 infield hits between Arizona and San Diego. April 15, 2016 Arizona Diamondbacks at San Diego Padres Play by Play and Box Score \| Baseball-Reference.com Here's the 30 players that had infield hits that day. NYM-CLE: M. Conforto CIN-STL: B. Phillips ATL-MIA: D. Gordon (2), C. Yelich WAS-PHI: M. Taylor, S. Drew MIL-PIT: C. Carter, S. Marte, J. Jaso BAL-TEX: J. Schoop, J. Rickard KCR-OAK: O. Infante, K. Morales ARZ-SDP: J. Lamb (2), M. Upton, A. Amarista, D. Peralta, P. Gosselin COL-CHC: N. Arenado, A. Russell, A. Rizzo, G. Parra SFG-LAD: A. Pagan (2) TOR-BOS: J. Bradley, D. Pedroia DET-HOU: J. Castro, C. Rasmus

10-25-2016, 09:19 AM	#13
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Baseball reference has it at 1.03 for the 2016 season. The previous two seasons are 1.10 and 1.11 2014 Major League Baseball PH/HR/Situ Hitting \| Baseball-Reference.com __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

10-25-2016, 09:27 AM	#14
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	Hmm...Baseball Reference and Bill James seem to disagree on the averages, which would indicate a difference in methodology. __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

10-25-2016, 10:42 AM	#15
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,254	BR has 4510 infield hits this year, Fangraphs has 3546. They can't even agree on bunt hits (484 vs 567). We'll likely visit it again for next year - at the very least, we can spend more effort getting them so they look more reasonable - the infield hits for slow runners certainly do have a different profile than those of the faster runners, and I'm not sure we make enough distinction in that right now.

10-25-2016, 08:30 PM	#17
OBSL Commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 945	An infield hit just scored the first run in the World Series for Cleveland tonight.

10-26-2016, 11:06 AM	#18
pdiaz1420 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6	I am seeing anywhere from 3-5. And there is never a game without one.