DH problem with historical league?

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 10:53 AM

Having a weird issue with a historical league. Started the league in 1972, set to NOT have a DH. 1973 rolls around (still no DH set in my league, even though it was introduced in real life that year) and several prominent DHs from that year had seasons where they were exclusively pinch-hitters, despite all having good ratings or good real-season stats.

Frank Robinson: 4 1/2 stars, 0 starts.
Ron Blomberg: 5 stars, 0 starts.
Tommy Davis: great real season, 0 starts.
Orlando Cepeda: good real season, 0 starts.

They are adequately rated at various positions. They all have a default fielding role set in the editor. None of them were obviously blocked by a better player. Yet they all seem to be prevented from having a starting role in the field.

Any ideas on what's going on, and, if so, is there a workaround for this?

Thanks.

daves · 10-11-2016, 11:06 AM

The easy answer is to go to league settings and check the DH for the AL.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 11:13 AM

It would be easy if that was what I wanted, but, unfortunately, it's not. Not a fan of the DH.

David Watts · 10-11-2016, 11:25 AM

I'm pretty sure you have to have the box checked for historical expansion checked if you want the game to make that change for you. Otherwise, like mentioned above, you can manually select the option for DH.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 11:34 AM

Thank you, but I guess my original post was not clear.

I do not want the DH.

The players listed above were good DHs in real life during the first year that the DH was instituted, 1973.

The computer managers in OOTP's 1973 season are NOT starting these players at all, despite good ratings / real-life stats. These players have defensive ratings set. They have a valid default position. The players starting instead of them are not as good. These players started plenty of games in my OOTP 1972 season, when the DH did not exist in real-life. Suddenly, in 1973, no starts AT ALL.

There is something in the historical league where players who played real-life DH are not being started by the computer manager because the DH option is not set.

I want these players to start as their defensive ratings (which are average) and other ratings would suggest that they should. It is a clear pattern that I am not seeing with any other type of player.

So aside from just activating the DH, which I don't want, does anyone have any suggestions for remedying this problem?

Thanks.

brewdog · 10-11-2016, 11:39 AM

It would be a good idea to post some screenshots of your settings.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 11:53 AM

See attached. Didn't see anything else that could be pertinent, but if there is, let me know.

David Watts · 10-11-2016, 11:53 AM

Are you using recalc? If so is it 1 year? 3 year?

Another thing you could check is what do you have "base fielding ratings" (at work so it may be called something else) set to? Do you have it set for current year, 3 years or entire career?

TheMaus2 · 10-11-2016, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Are you using recalc? If so is it 1 year? 3 year?

Another thing you could check is what do you have "base fielding ratings" (at work so it may be called something else) set to? Do you have it set for current year, 3 years or entire career?

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David Watts · 10-11-2016, 12:04 PM

Well your screen shot just answered my questions. I'm surprised 3 year recalc is resulting in these players being benched. Maybe switch defense from 3 years to entire career and see if anything changes.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 12:05 PM

Recalc stats each year, with a base of 3 years, double weight of current year.

There is a "base rookie fielding ratings on..." setting -- that is for a 3 year period.

Also, have attached Frank Robinson's ratings and OOTP fielding stats to show what I'm talking about. Thanks.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 12:07 PM

Thanks, 2 follow-up questions:

#1) Is it best to do this in the off-season?
#2) If I set to entire career, does that mean that I'll be stuck with players like Tim Raines at 2B and Dale Murphy at C because they, at one time early in their careers, played those positions?

Markus Heinsohn · 10-11-2016, 12:16 PM

Also, you could change the "Base player roles / positions on" options in the historical progressions settings, otherwise real life DHs will not get used if you have no DH.

mookie1 · 10-11-2016, 01:21 PM

Yes, but the manual suggests that I will then lose all other positional/role shifts, such as Eckersley's late-career move to closer.

Is there a way to control this on an individual player level? I only care about DHs being able to play the field because the DH rule is not implemented.

That is what is particularly frustrating about this -- as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the editor that would allow me to change this. Frank Robinson's role is RF, his defensive ratings are present and normal. This seems like a hidden value that I can't control on a player-by-player basis. Is that correct?

Markus Heinsohn · 10-12-2016, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookie1

Yes, but the manual suggests that I will then lose all other positional/role shifts, such as Eckersley's late-career move to closer.

Is there a way to control this on an individual player level? I only care about DHs being able to play the field because the DH rule is not implemented.

That is what is particularly frustrating about this -- as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the editor that would allow me to change this. Frank Robinson's role is RF, his defensive ratings are present and normal. This seems like a hidden value that I can't control on a player-by-player basis. Is that correct?

It is not a hidden value, it is his stats. The game looks at the player's fielding stats and sees he was a full-time DH, and hence forces his role. I am afraid there is nothing you can do to change this, other than the league setting for the role.

mookie1 · 10-12-2016, 10:44 AM

Thanks for confirming.

I know this is an obscure issue and will not be high on any list to address, but I appreciate the feedback. Because I want to preserve the "Eckersley transition" in my league, I will just enable the DH in both leagues and try it out that way. Thank you!

10-11-2016, 11:39 AM	#6
brewdog Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Harrison, Michigan Posts: 213	It would be a good idea to post some screenshots of your settings. __________________ “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is a lot.” - Albert Einstein

10-11-2016, 11:53 AM	#7
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	See attached. Didn't see anything else that could be pertinent, but if there is, let me know. Attached Images

10-11-2016, 12:05 PM	#11
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	Recalc stats each year, with a base of 3 years, double weight of current year. There is a "base rookie fielding ratings on..." setting -- that is for a 3 year period. Also, have attached Frank Robinson's ratings and OOTP fielding stats to show what I'm talking about. Thanks. Attached Images

10-11-2016, 12:16 PM	#13
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Also, you could change the "Base player roles / positions on" options in the historical progressions settings, otherwise real life DHs will not get used if you have no DH. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

10-11-2016, 10:53 AM	#1
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	DH problem with historical league? Having a weird issue with a historical league. Started the league in 1972, set to NOT have a DH. 1973 rolls around (still no DH set in my league, even though it was introduced in real life that year) and several prominent DHs from that year had seasons where they were exclusively pinch-hitters, despite all having good ratings or good real-season stats. Frank Robinson: 4 1/2 stars, 0 starts. Ron Blomberg: 5 stars, 0 starts. Tommy Davis: great real season, 0 starts. Orlando Cepeda: good real season, 0 starts. They are adequately rated at various positions. They all have a default fielding role set in the editor. None of them were obviously blocked by a better player. Yet they all seem to be prevented from having a starting role in the field. Any ideas on what's going on, and, if so, is there a workaround for this? Thanks.

10-11-2016, 11:06 AM	#2
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,862	The easy answer is to go to league settings and check the DH for the AL. __________________

10-11-2016, 11:13 AM	#3
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	It would be easy if that was what I wanted, but, unfortunately, it's not. Not a fan of the DH.

10-11-2016, 11:25 AM	#4
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,965 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I'm pretty sure you have to have the box checked for historical expansion checked if you want the game to make that change for you. Otherwise, like mentioned above, you can manually select the option for DH.

10-11-2016, 11:34 AM	#5
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	Thank you, but I guess my original post was not clear. I do not want the DH. The players listed above were good DHs in real life during the first year that the DH was instituted, 1973. The computer managers in OOTP's 1973 season are NOT starting these players at all, despite good ratings / real-life stats. These players have defensive ratings set. They have a valid default position. The players starting instead of them are not as good. These players started plenty of games in my OOTP 1972 season, when the DH did not exist in real-life. Suddenly, in 1973, no starts AT ALL. There is something in the historical league where players who played real-life DH are not being started by the computer manager because the DH option is not set. I want these players to start as their defensive ratings (which are average) and other ratings would suggest that they should. It is a clear pattern that I am not seeing with any other type of player. So aside from just activating the DH, which I don't want, does anyone have any suggestions for remedying this problem? Thanks.

10-11-2016, 12:04 PM	#10
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,965 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Well your screen shot just answered my questions. I'm surprised 3 year recalc is resulting in these players being benched. Maybe switch defense from 3 years to entire career and see if anything changes.

10-11-2016, 12:07 PM	#12
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	Thanks, 2 follow-up questions: #1) Is it best to do this in the off-season? #2) If I set to entire career, does that mean that I'll be stuck with players like Tim Raines at 2B and Dale Murphy at C because they, at one time early in their careers, played those positions?

10-11-2016, 01:21 PM	#14
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	Yes, but the manual suggests that I will then lose all other positional/role shifts, such as Eckersley's late-career move to closer. Is there a way to control this on an individual player level? I only care about DHs being able to play the field because the DH rule is not implemented. That is what is particularly frustrating about this -- as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the editor that would allow me to change this. Frank Robinson's role is RF, his defensive ratings are present and normal. This seems like a hidden value that I can't control on a player-by-player basis. Is that correct?

10-12-2016, 10:44 AM	#16
mookie1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 46	Thanks for confirming. I know this is an obscure issue and will not be high on any list to address, but I appreciate the feedback. Because I want to preserve the "Eckersley transition" in my league, I will just enable the DH in both leagues and try it out that way. Thank you!