Rule Clarification - playoff rosters

UKRedSox · 09-20-2016, 03:58 PM

The leagues League Settings state

Roster Expansion Date - September 1st
Post Season Roster Rules - Enabled
Post Season Roster Eligibility - Active Roster (25-man roster)

Am I right in thinking players must be on the 25 man roster on August 31st, and the post season roster eligibility rule comes into effect at 11:59 on August 31st (in theory)?

Thanks in advance

homerj · 09-20-2016, 04:05 PM

Yes, generally the actual rule is closer to picking the 40-man roster option there. Then a player just has to be on the 40-man to get playoff eligible.

Matt Arnold · 09-20-2016, 04:06 PM

Yep, basically.
In that case, it would be anyone on the 25-man roster plus anyone on the DL are eligible, and if anyone else gets put on, then they can be replaced by anyone who was in the org at the time.

Mike Lowe · 09-26-2016, 09:03 AM

Matt,

If we send you the link to our league file, could you edit it to be 40 man eligibility?

This would be a huge help for us to get fixed this week.

Matt Arnold · 09-26-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Lowe

Matt,

If we send you the link to our league file, could you edit it to be 40 man eligibility?

This would be a huge help for us to get fixed this week.

There's an option to switch over to the 40-man for eligibility, but it has to be done before Sept 1 to take effect.

If you want to change the rules after that, you'll essentially have to go in manually and edit players. There's a check box in the player editor to mark them as eligible.

JohnHoward · 09-26-2016, 02:05 PM

Please consider the following. John Smith plays every game through August 30 and is sent to the minors. He is recalled September 1 and plays every game for the remainder of season. His team had an off day on August 31, so he did not miss a game. Does this mean that he played in all 162 games, but he is ineligible for the post-season because he was not on the 25 man roster on August 31?

Le Grande Orange · 09-26-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Please consider the following. John Smith plays every game through August 30 and is sent to the minors. He is recalled September 1 and plays every game for the remainder of season. His team had an off day on August 31, so he did not miss a game. Does this mean that he played in all 162 games, but he is ineligible for the post-season because he was not on the 25 man roster on August 31?

Technically, he would not be eligible, at least under the rules of a few years ago. But eligibility was changed by MLB a couple of years ago (2014?) to be all players on the 40-man roster as of Aug. 31st. In which case he would be eligible regardless of not being on the active roster on Aug. 31st.

BIG17EASY · 09-26-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Technically, he would not be eligible, at least under the rules of a few years ago. But eligibility was changed by MLB a couple of years ago (2014?) to be all players on the 40-man roster as of Aug. 31st. In which case he would be eligible regardless of not being on the active roster on Aug. 31st.

I thought it was all players within the organization on August 31, not just on the 40-man?

Matt Arnold · 09-26-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I thought it was all players within the organization on August 31, not just on the 40-man?

Anyone in the organization is eligible as a replacement.

So basically the rule right now is:
-anyone on the 40-man on Aug 31st is immediately eligible
-anyone on the DL on Aug 31 is eligible
-anyone in the organization can be made eligible if they replace someone who is on the DL.

You can swap out 40 for 25 in the above case depending what option in OOTP you're talking about/what MLB rules were a few years ago.

I do believe that we handle the DL/replacement players ever so slightly differently than the actual MLB rules, but very close.

Le Grande Orange · 09-26-2016, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

-anyone in the organization can be made eligible if they replace someone who is on the DL.

It's not on the DL as there is no DL in the post-season, but rather a player who is properly certified as being injured and unable to play in a playoff series at the time that playoff series is taking place.

Note that it is anyone in the organization as of Aug. 31st and remained with the organization through to the end of the regular season. A player not on the 40-man roster could be used as a replacement for an injured player but he would have to be added to the 40-man roster first (which would of course necessitate removing another player from the 40-man).

bwburke94 · 09-27-2016, 03:39 PM

Also note that ineligible players sometimes declare free agency early in real life (Keith Ginter in 2006), which complicates things when it comes to injury replacements. OOTP does not have that rule.

Le Grande Orange · 09-27-2016, 03:44 PM

There are some technical constraints in real life involving players on he 60-day DL as well.

drhay53 · 09-28-2016, 12:29 PM

One gotcha that happened to me was I had a player in rehab assignment which I thought at the time would allow him to be on the playoff roster, but in the end he wasn't allowed. This was with the 25 man eligibility setting. Just something to watch out for if you're using that.

jpeters1734 · 09-30-2016, 06:26 PM

so i'm super confused. Pointer and Romeo (along with a few others) have been on my 40-man all season and are not eligible. Reyes, Ruiz, and Samuelson have never been on the 40 and are eligible.

drhay53 · 09-30-2016, 07:30 PM

There have been a couple of times where I went into commissioner mode and made a player eligible that I thought should have been (the one I specifically remember was the rehab assignment issue listed above).

It looks like you might have some kind of bug, but if you really want the players on the playoff roster and you're sure you met the criteria, just go in and change them to be eligible. There's an option in the editor.

jpeters1734 · 10-01-2016, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by drhay53

There have been a couple of times where I went into commissioner mode and made a player eligible that I thought should have been (the one I specifically remember was the rehab assignment issue listed above).

It looks like you might have some kind of bug, but if you really want the players on the playoff roster and you're sure you met the criteria, just go in and change them to be eligible. There's an option in the editor.

yeah but that's not a feasible option to do every year for every team. I have just turned it off

anthonywvalentine · 11-16-2016, 08:29 PM

Did something change where a player can not be moved to the DL in the middle of the series?

Player was hurt in game 3, out for 4 weeks. I thought he could be moved and be ineligible for the next round?

09-20-2016, 03:58 PM	#1
UKRedSox Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cumbria/Isle of Wight, England Posts: 416	Rule Clarification - playoff rosters The leagues League Settings state Roster Expansion Date - September 1st Post Season Roster Rules - Enabled Post Season Roster Eligibility - Active Roster (25-man roster) Am I right in thinking players must be on the 25 man roster on August 31st, and the post season roster eligibility rule comes into effect at 11:59 on August 31st (in theory)? Thanks in advance

09-26-2016, 09:03 AM	#4
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jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 5,911	so i'm super confused. Pointer and Romeo (along with a few others) have been on my 40-man all season and are not eligible. Reyes, Ruiz, and Samuelson have never been on the 40 and are eligible. Attached Images __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

09-20-2016, 04:05 PM	#2
homerj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 183	Yes, generally the actual rule is closer to picking the 40-man roster option there. Then a player just has to be on the 40-man to get playoff eligible.

09-20-2016, 04:06 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,463	Yep, basically. In that case, it would be anyone on the 25-man roster plus anyone on the DL are eligible, and if anyone else gets put on, then they can be replaced by anyone who was in the org at the time.

09-26-2016, 02:05 PM	#6
JohnHoward All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 624	Please consider the following. John Smith plays every game through August 30 and is sent to the minors. He is recalled September 1 and plays every game for the remainder of season. His team had an off day on August 31, so he did not miss a game. Does this mean that he played in all 162 games, but he is ineligible for the post-season because he was not on the 25 man roster on August 31?

09-27-2016, 03:39 PM	#11
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,480	Also note that ineligible players sometimes declare free agency early in real life (Keith Ginter in 2006), which complicates things when it comes to injury replacements. OOTP does not have that rule.

09-27-2016, 03:44 PM	#12
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	There are some technical constraints in real life involving players on he 60-day DL as well.

09-28-2016, 12:29 PM	#13
drhay53 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 355	One gotcha that happened to me was I had a player in rehab assignment which I thought at the time would allow him to be on the playoff roster, but in the end he wasn't allowed. This was with the 25 man eligibility setting. Just something to watch out for if you're using that.

09-30-2016, 07:30 PM	#15
drhay53 Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 355	There have been a couple of times where I went into commissioner mode and made a player eligible that I thought should have been (the one I specifically remember was the rehab assignment issue listed above). It looks like you might have some kind of bug, but if you really want the players on the playoff roster and you're sure you met the criteria, just go in and change them to be eligible. There's an option in the editor.

11-16-2016, 08:29 PM	#17
anthonywvalentine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 664	Did something change where a player can not be moved to the DL in the middle of the series? Player was hurt in game 3, out for 4 weeks. I thought he could be moved and be ineligible for the next round?