Explain this Pitcher

[Malova]

Originally Posted by rjl518

why do u have him listed as a closer?

Oh, he is not my best pitcher, I use him to close in playoffs, or in a pinch 4th-5th starter.

[Malova]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I can't wait until the day ERA and wins are no longer valued by the typical fan

The win's I do not put as much emphasis on it's the ERA that just had me speechless. Sure, I don't get all into the nitty grittys of all the statistical stats. But I know wins are not the end all be all.

[Steve509]

Originally Posted by Malova

The win's I do not put as much emphasis on it's the ERA that just had me speechless. Sure, I don't get all into the nitty grittys of all the statistical stats. But I know wins are not the end all be all.

If you don't mind could you post a screenshot of his "expanded pitching stats 2" under the pitching stats tab(pitching stats <- career stats <- view<-expanded pitching stats 2). I am a bit curious to see what his advanced stats are.

[JMDurron]

Can someone explain real world David Price while we're at it?

[OOTPinstripes]

See: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...realistic.html

[Malova]

Originally Posted by Steve509

If you don't mind could you post a screenshot of his "expanded pitching stats 2" under the pitching stats tab(pitching stats <- career stats <- view<-expanded pitching stats 2). I am a bit curious to see what his advanced stats are.

I posted all 3.

[NoOne]

Assuming info is accurate:

his velocity is the same and ratings are relatively the same... his results are not the same. what's wrong here? nothing. it's perfectly normal for the game.

you've had one bad year with that guy and all the rest were great... if anything is unusual it's his consitency... dont believe me? look up some HoF pitchers... very few are consistent through their entire career, even when ignoring age and injuries.

i use this alot... roger clemens had a crap year 1/4th of the time. you may be able to find examples that show consistency but they are a distant minority.

also i want to point out... what does the fact that the other parts of your rotation pitched well mean relative to his results that year? they are exclusive of each other.

[Silfir]

His FIP was identical to the year before, and marginally worse than the year after. Add the exceptionally high BABIP, and I'd say he simply got unlucky and/or had awful fielding behind him.

EDIT:

Well, the fact that the rest of the rotation didn't experience a similar dip in results and had normal BABIP could suggest it's not a fielding issue.

[Steve509]

Originally Posted by Malova

I posted all 3.

Sorry for the late reply Malova.

His year was definitely an off year, that's for sure. His metrics, as other people have stated, such as BABIP is well above his career average that year. Although, I'm a bit surprised his FIP is 3.65 for that year, as was his year prior where he posted much better numbers.

While he certainly didn't help himself, with his BABIP, and low QS percentage. He also suffered from his second-worst run support that year at 3.15 runs per games. Would it have helped significantly for him to have more run support that year? Possibly a couple of extra wins, but it was clearly a bad year in the context of his career.

The only thing that concerns me now is he is about to hit Free Agency, is already at the $25 million mark, "Ace" status money in my league at least. His FIP rose to 3.47 as did his FIP-, as well as a drop in WAR. He is 32, going on 33, so you have a tough choice to make with him. It might be worth letting him go/trading him if you are afforded the opportunity(strong minor league system with pitchers, or a strong rotation in the MLB).

If you're interested in learning more about FIP, and advanced stats in general, I really recommend Baseball Statistics and Analysis | FanGraphs Baseball , as that website explains to you why and how, and the purpose of the stats that are tracked. It's very much my go-to site for advanced stats information, and I have learned most of my advanced stats information from that website.

Here is a link to the pitching portion.

Pitching | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library

I hope this helps you out, and if you feel you need more answers, please don't hesitate to ask.

- Steve

[Malova]

I posted below how he ended up panning out the rest of his career, I posted below all stats including expanded.

He ended up not doing to shabby, but was not my #1 pitcher I assumed he was but ended up having a better pitcher that completely eclipsed him.

Wanted to show you how he ended up.

[Steve509]

Originally Posted by Malova

I posted below how he ended up panning out the rest of his career, I posted below all stats including expanded.

He ended up not doing to shabby, but was not my #1 pitcher I assumed he was but ended up having a better pitcher that completely eclipsed him.

Wanted to show you how he ended up.

Good thing my advice was a little late! As I was advocating for you to move him. Glad your pitcher and instincts proved me wrong, as he gave you 2 extremely productive, and outstanding years, as well as a very good final year with your team. Glad he worked out for you. He had a very, very good career.

[slugger922cubs]

What happened between 2065 and 2066 he fell apart. He looked like he should of had a few more good years as a starter and instead because a MR with Cleveland and then retired.

[Steve509]

Originally Posted by slugger922cubs

What happened between 2065 and 2066 he fell apart. He looked like he should of had a few more good years as a starter and instead because a MR with Cleveland and then retired.

He started his decline at age 35, which I say is pretty normal. By the time he hit 36 he was a shell of himself, so it is definitely age factoring in. Still a good career though.